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Re: Handles like a R?? (Dogginator)
People love handling better than type-r's so much that they actually dedicated a forum to handling better than a R
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Re: Handles like a R?? (rsr001)
My GS-R will out accelerate, out brake, and out handle a stock Type-R
I have a 1994 GS-R sedan with the chassis stitch welded aft the rear seats, a Speedtech 22mm rear sway bar and chassis tie bar, Password JDM 2 point rear strut bar and their 3 point front strut bar. The suspension is a simple, yet effective setup consisting of spss3 valved (race valved) Koni shocks, Ground-control coil-overs with a custom spring rates (that shall remain unspecified due to me being selfish about its awesomeness), Ground-control extended top-hats, J's racing roll center adjusters up front and Silk-Road inner fender braces up front (a temporary mod until I can seam and stitch weld the front end). Combined with a good alignment (slight toe-out up front, and 0 toe in the rear) and camber settings, the car maintains a very neutral handling balance under neutral throttle... lift the throttle to rotate the car, or apply the throttle to straighten the car.
The part that will make the greatest difference in handling, braking and accelerating is going to be your tires and driving skill. I have auto-x'd for 4 years in this car on everything from a bone stock car, to its current incarnation on Hoosier's, and have about 100,000 all-purpose miles in her as well... that will make a huge difference in any contest of closely matched cars.
As it sits for daily driving, my car looks like a ho-hum, run of the mill Integra. It's a white four door, and is not really that low. The car maintains its stock Fat-5 (hammer?) rims, wrapped with Bridgestone Potenza Re010 rubber in the stock 195/55/15 size. The Re010 is being discontinued I believe, but it is an all around excellent tire for the Integra (hence Honda's decision to make it the spec tire on the Integra Type-r). I run the Re010 over stickier tires like the BFG KD, or Azenis 615 for their slightly better wear resistance and their wet road capabilities, and even got to use them in light snow the other day, which was definitely not their forte.
The braking on my car is very good for auto-x and road use, requiring no real warm-up time and provide plenty of fade-free stops from slow to moderate speeds (think 80mph and slower). I have Brembo slotted rotors front and rear, in the stock sizes, along with Hawk HP-plus pads and Goodridge stainless steel brake lines at all four corners. The hydraulic fluid pushing the pistons to pad to rotor is Motul RBF600, and is more than anybody needs on the street. The RBF is no where close to its boiling point when the brakes start to fade due to the pads exceeding their recommended operating range, so it is definitely not the weak-point in my brake system. The car maintains its factory ABS system with no changes or modifications made to the brakes beyond what is listed above.
As far as acceleration is concerned, my Integra can consistently run 14.68 to 14.75 second quarter miles at 92'ish MPH. This is achieved on the same Re010 tires that I run everyday, deflated to about 25 psi in the front. My car has the basic I/H/E, as well as an Exedy 3 puck clutch and Exedy flywheel, and sends its power through a Quaife ATB differential (automatic torque biasing differential) and factory GS-R gearbox. My car is nowhere near the fastest, best handling, or best braking Integra out there, but it is probably one of the best balanced and most fun to drive cars you could ever hope to pilot around a road or short track.
Simple and effective mods are all you need to make your car a well sorted, well balanced, and most importantly: FUN car.
*Edited for spelling*
I have a 1994 GS-R sedan with the chassis stitch welded aft the rear seats, a Speedtech 22mm rear sway bar and chassis tie bar, Password JDM 2 point rear strut bar and their 3 point front strut bar. The suspension is a simple, yet effective setup consisting of spss3 valved (race valved) Koni shocks, Ground-control coil-overs with a custom spring rates (that shall remain unspecified due to me being selfish about its awesomeness), Ground-control extended top-hats, J's racing roll center adjusters up front and Silk-Road inner fender braces up front (a temporary mod until I can seam and stitch weld the front end). Combined with a good alignment (slight toe-out up front, and 0 toe in the rear) and camber settings, the car maintains a very neutral handling balance under neutral throttle... lift the throttle to rotate the car, or apply the throttle to straighten the car.
The part that will make the greatest difference in handling, braking and accelerating is going to be your tires and driving skill. I have auto-x'd for 4 years in this car on everything from a bone stock car, to its current incarnation on Hoosier's, and have about 100,000 all-purpose miles in her as well... that will make a huge difference in any contest of closely matched cars.
As it sits for daily driving, my car looks like a ho-hum, run of the mill Integra. It's a white four door, and is not really that low. The car maintains its stock Fat-5 (hammer?) rims, wrapped with Bridgestone Potenza Re010 rubber in the stock 195/55/15 size. The Re010 is being discontinued I believe, but it is an all around excellent tire for the Integra (hence Honda's decision to make it the spec tire on the Integra Type-r). I run the Re010 over stickier tires like the BFG KD, or Azenis 615 for their slightly better wear resistance and their wet road capabilities, and even got to use them in light snow the other day, which was definitely not their forte.
The braking on my car is very good for auto-x and road use, requiring no real warm-up time and provide plenty of fade-free stops from slow to moderate speeds (think 80mph and slower). I have Brembo slotted rotors front and rear, in the stock sizes, along with Hawk HP-plus pads and Goodridge stainless steel brake lines at all four corners. The hydraulic fluid pushing the pistons to pad to rotor is Motul RBF600, and is more than anybody needs on the street. The RBF is no where close to its boiling point when the brakes start to fade due to the pads exceeding their recommended operating range, so it is definitely not the weak-point in my brake system. The car maintains its factory ABS system with no changes or modifications made to the brakes beyond what is listed above.
As far as acceleration is concerned, my Integra can consistently run 14.68 to 14.75 second quarter miles at 92'ish MPH. This is achieved on the same Re010 tires that I run everyday, deflated to about 25 psi in the front. My car has the basic I/H/E, as well as an Exedy 3 puck clutch and Exedy flywheel, and sends its power through a Quaife ATB differential (automatic torque biasing differential) and factory GS-R gearbox. My car is nowhere near the fastest, best handling, or best braking Integra out there, but it is probably one of the best balanced and most fun to drive cars you could ever hope to pilot around a road or short track.
Simple and effective mods are all you need to make your car a well sorted, well balanced, and most importantly: FUN car.
*Edited for spelling*
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Re: Handles like a R?? (Tornadom)
Are you a magazine writer or something???
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tornadom »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My GS-R will out accelerate, out brake, and out handle a stock Type-R
I have a 1994 GS-R sedan with the chassis stitch welded aft the rear seats, a Speedtech 22mm rear sway bar and chassis tie bar, Password JDM 2 point rear strut bar and their 3 point front strut bar. The suspension is a simple, yet effective setup consisting of spss3 valved (race valved) Koni shocks, Ground-control coil-overs with a custom spring rates (that shall remain unspecified due to me being selfish about its awesomeness), Ground-control extended top-hats, J's racing roll center adjusters up front and Silk-Road inner fender braces up front (a temporary mod until I can seam and stitch weld the front end). Combined with a good alignment (slight toe-out up front, and 0 toe in the rear) and camber settings, the car maintains a very neutral handling balance under neutral throttle... lift the throttle to rotate the car, or apply the throttle to straighten the car.
The part that will make the greatest difference in handling, braking and accelerating is going to be your tires and driving skill. I have auto-x'd for 4 years in this car on everything from a bone stock car, to its current incarnation on Hoosier's, and have about 100,000 all-purpose miles in her as well... that will make a huge difference in any contest of closely matched cars.
As it sits for daily driving, my car looks like a ho-hum, run of the mill Integra. It's a white four door, and is not really that low. The car maintains its stock Fat-5 (hammer?) rims, wrapped with Bridgestone Potenza Re010 rubber in the stock 195/55/15 size. The Re010 is being discontinued I believe, but it is an all around excellent tire for the Integra (hence Honda's decision to make it the spec tire on the Integra Type-r). I run the Re010 over stickier tires like the BFG KD, or Azenis 615 for their slightly better wear resistance and their wet road capabilities, and even got to use them in light snow the other day, which was definitely not their forte.
The braking on my car is very good for auto-x and road use, requiring no real warm-up time and provide plenty of fade-free stops from slow to moderate speeds (think 80mph and slower). I have Brembo slotted rotors front and rear, in the stock sizes, along with Hawk HP-plus pads and Goodridge stainless steel brake lines at all four corners. The hydraulic fluid pushing the pistons to pad to rotor is Motul RBF600, and is more than anybody needs on the street. The RBF is no where close to its boiling point when the brakes start to fade due to the pads exceeding their recommended operating range, so it is definitely not the weak-point in my brake system. The car maintains its factory ABS system with no changes or modifications made to the brakes beyond what is listed above.
As far as acceleration is concerned, my Integra can consistently run 14.68 to 14.75 second quarter miles at 92'ish MPH. This is achieved on the same Re010 tires that I run everyday, deflated to about 25 psi in the front. My car has the basic I/H/E, as well as an Exedy 3 puck clutch and Exedy flywheel, and sends its power through a Quaife ATB differential (automatic torque biasing differential) and factory GS-R gearbox. My car is nowhere near the fastest, best handling, or best braking Integra out there, but it is probably one of the best balanced and most fun to drive cars you could ever hope to pilot around a road or short track.
Simple and effective mods are all you need to make your car a well sorted, well balanced, and most importantly: FUN car.
*Edited for spelling*</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tornadom »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My GS-R will out accelerate, out brake, and out handle a stock Type-R
I have a 1994 GS-R sedan with the chassis stitch welded aft the rear seats, a Speedtech 22mm rear sway bar and chassis tie bar, Password JDM 2 point rear strut bar and their 3 point front strut bar. The suspension is a simple, yet effective setup consisting of spss3 valved (race valved) Koni shocks, Ground-control coil-overs with a custom spring rates (that shall remain unspecified due to me being selfish about its awesomeness), Ground-control extended top-hats, J's racing roll center adjusters up front and Silk-Road inner fender braces up front (a temporary mod until I can seam and stitch weld the front end). Combined with a good alignment (slight toe-out up front, and 0 toe in the rear) and camber settings, the car maintains a very neutral handling balance under neutral throttle... lift the throttle to rotate the car, or apply the throttle to straighten the car.
The part that will make the greatest difference in handling, braking and accelerating is going to be your tires and driving skill. I have auto-x'd for 4 years in this car on everything from a bone stock car, to its current incarnation on Hoosier's, and have about 100,000 all-purpose miles in her as well... that will make a huge difference in any contest of closely matched cars.
As it sits for daily driving, my car looks like a ho-hum, run of the mill Integra. It's a white four door, and is not really that low. The car maintains its stock Fat-5 (hammer?) rims, wrapped with Bridgestone Potenza Re010 rubber in the stock 195/55/15 size. The Re010 is being discontinued I believe, but it is an all around excellent tire for the Integra (hence Honda's decision to make it the spec tire on the Integra Type-r). I run the Re010 over stickier tires like the BFG KD, or Azenis 615 for their slightly better wear resistance and their wet road capabilities, and even got to use them in light snow the other day, which was definitely not their forte.
The braking on my car is very good for auto-x and road use, requiring no real warm-up time and provide plenty of fade-free stops from slow to moderate speeds (think 80mph and slower). I have Brembo slotted rotors front and rear, in the stock sizes, along with Hawk HP-plus pads and Goodridge stainless steel brake lines at all four corners. The hydraulic fluid pushing the pistons to pad to rotor is Motul RBF600, and is more than anybody needs on the street. The RBF is no where close to its boiling point when the brakes start to fade due to the pads exceeding their recommended operating range, so it is definitely not the weak-point in my brake system. The car maintains its factory ABS system with no changes or modifications made to the brakes beyond what is listed above.
As far as acceleration is concerned, my Integra can consistently run 14.68 to 14.75 second quarter miles at 92'ish MPH. This is achieved on the same Re010 tires that I run everyday, deflated to about 25 psi in the front. My car has the basic I/H/E, as well as an Exedy 3 puck clutch and Exedy flywheel, and sends its power through a Quaife ATB differential (automatic torque biasing differential) and factory GS-R gearbox. My car is nowhere near the fastest, best handling, or best braking Integra out there, but it is probably one of the best balanced and most fun to drive cars you could ever hope to pilot around a road or short track.
Simple and effective mods are all you need to make your car a well sorted, well balanced, and most importantly: FUN car.
*Edited for spelling*</TD></TR></TABLE>
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by three stars, two bars »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey Tornadom, did you auto-x in Flagstaff, AZ last summer?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Neagtive.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MassScene »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are you a magazine writer or something???</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nope, and I failed english in HS... I just get bored at work and like to be helpful.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Acuronda_SloTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lol. No ****. Either that or a dreamer maybe ?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nah, it really isn't that bad of a setup, it just took me 4 years worth of tinkering to get right.
Neagtive.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MassScene »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are you a magazine writer or something???</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nope, and I failed english in HS... I just get bored at work and like to be helpful.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Acuronda_SloTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lol. No ****. Either that or a dreamer maybe ?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nah, it really isn't that bad of a setup, it just took me 4 years worth of tinkering to get right.
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Re: (MassScene)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tornadom »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Neagtive.
Nope, and I failed english in HS... I just get bored at work and like to be helpful.
Nah, it really isn't that bad of a setup, it just took me 4 years worth of tinkering to get right.
</TD></TR></TABLE> thread jacker just joking thanks for the help ....ps i dont own a ls just curious cause i totaled my ITR and was thinking about getting a cheap shell and swap all the parts....but not sure i want to do that...just looking at my options
Neagtive.
Nope, and I failed english in HS... I just get bored at work and like to be helpful.
Nah, it really isn't that bad of a setup, it just took me 4 years worth of tinkering to get right.
</TD></TR></TABLE> thread jacker
just joking thanks for the help ....ps i dont own a ls just curious cause i totaled my ITR and was thinking about getting a cheap shell and swap all the parts....but not sure i want to do that...just looking at my options
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