So i have a 96' LS(special edition)with 120k miles on it, 5 speed It runs well, it's a daily driver. I don't have the time or the money to go all out, as between having a social life (IN EUROPE) And being in the Military Time and money - I don't have a lot of them. What I do have though, is a Garage with every tool, and a hydraulic lift. The most work I've done on a car is an oild change and an intake,and headers on a mustang.

My Goal: Is to make my slow car compete with a stock GSR so around 150 FWHP. And in the future do a complete overhual

Current Plans:

AEM intake - DONE
Airmass Header 4-2-1 Header
skunk 2 test pipe - It has an 02 sensor bung so i should not get a CEL right?
2.5" test pipe back no resonator with an 4.5" tip noname muffler
Centerforce Clutch
Zoom lightweight flywheel 7 lbs
Yokohama AVS ES100 Tires with some cheap rims i can find
skunk2 66mm Throttlebody - Should i go bigger or smaller
skunk2 Intake manifold
HKS Spark Plugs and MDS wires
unorthodox underdrive pulleys

Then A Koni Sport lowerkit with springs and shocks and some new break rotors and pads

Comments appreciated. Once i deploy and get back Then comes the real ****

Think that should put at the same level as a GSR?

 

I think you're gonna need cams or forced induction to keep up with a GSR. A small turbo setup will get you a much nicer powerband than the same level of power NA, and will be cheaper as well.


also, a test pipe even with an O2 bung is gonna throw a CEL, because the ECU will think the cat is dead and needs to be replaced.

 

You are flirting with bench racing. I don't think that the bolt-ons that you listed are going to achieve your goal. Think on the lines of pistons, cams, port and polished head, etc. Turbo is another option.

 

Believe it or not, but my friend who had basics added some camgears and had some guy he know tune it. At the end, he was pulling on gsr's, but they were catching up around 4th gear or so. I guess he's one of the few lucky ones to get good results with tuning camgears with no dyno.

 

Bolt on's make more noise, and cost more $$$$ than anything.

Unless you swap pistons/ get head work/ cams/ GSR or B16 tranny you won't touch a GSR

 

what if i forget Test pipe, go with the stock cat, get rid of the throttlebody and go with some stage one crower camshaft http://store.summitracing.com/...w=sku

 

the best mod you could do would be a b16 transmission or an ITR transmission if you plan on staying naturally aspirated

next would be a good header, the header you have mentioned is complete JUNK!!

get a jdm itr header if your trying to get one on the cheap

then i would say a nice cam and head upgrades (springs retainers to rev higher)and you should be able to keep up or beat most gsr's

 

I think i'll just do my exhuast and save up for a b16 or ITR tranny, wherever the heck i will find that - NO IDEA.

 

friends LS with Intake/header/exhaust cams and a hondata tune pulls ona stock types all throughout the powerband

 

The best bet for you in my opinion would be to save and get a transmission, either a b16 or gsr it doesn't really matter. You could ditch all the mild bolt-ons and finish your full drivetrain and have it follow whatever mods you do in the future.

ie: b16, lsd, 4.9 fd (+/- cross gears)

With that setup you not only have a race tranny built, but it will complement both an N/A build and a FI build.

That's my .02

 

drop in a ITR tranny with the b18b. you aren't going to keep up with a GSR with shitty parts. Holley Airmass header is on par with OBX in my book

drop in a ITR or b16 and so mild I/H/E and a stock GSR is done in the 1/4. after 100 you are toast tho

since you already have an AEM intake stick with that, next pick up a Megan 4-2-1 or 4-1, your choice, i'd suggest 4-2-1 to fit in with the midrange punch of the b18b, you can stick with tour no name exhaust but its going to sound like absolute *** with no cat or resonator.

 

IMO you'll have to spend a lot to reach the gsr... The best move for you would be to sale your and buy a gsr... That would be the smarter move...

That's what I did and thrsut me, there's nothing like a vtec!

 

Everybody has given some great advice already but u need to definately get rid of the 4 inch muffler your thats on your list!!! first and foremost.....it wont apply to anything your doing to that car....FI or not!

 

get some cams...i beat the **** out of my boys JDm type r...with crower 405's in my ls...i had cams,sk2 intake manifold,gsr tranny,chipped ecu,header,and s2k muffler

 

Crower Cams would be nice... but if you beat the GSR off the line .. you should be fine.. suspension and tires would do it... and some skill

 

There is alot of miss information on this thread. Well some is correct but they are just talking about worthless I/H/E mods that really arn't going to do much in the end. I'm surprised that no one has said this yet, so i will. If you want to keep up with a gsr, not too hard, get GSR crank and pistons and GSR head, Tune it up. If you put some extra money into your parts you'll be faster than a gsr. Up to you tho...You'll probably want to upgrade the tranny too, however if you go turbo i would keep the ls. However you didn't say how you wanted to keep up with a stock gsr, on the track or auto-x suspension is everything. You would be surprised what you could do with a tuned suspension and a good set of tires. Again this is as retarted as the oil thread if this is allowed to keep going unlock the dc2 vs eg thread. this is even worse...how can i make an ls a gsr?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SleeperGSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is alot of miss information on this thread. Well some is correct but they are just talking about worthless I/H/E mods that really arn't going to do much in the end. I'm surprised that no one has said this yet, so i will. If you want to keep up with a gsr, not too hard, get GSR crank and pistons and GSR head, Tune it up. If you put some extra money into your parts you'll be faster than a gsr. Up to you tho...You'll probably want to upgrade the tranny too, however if you go turbo i would keep the ls. However you didn't say how you wanted to keep up with a stock gsr, on the track or auto-x suspension is everything. You would be surprised what you could do with a tuned suspension and a good set of tires. Again this is as retarted as the oil thread if this is allowed to keep going unlock the dc2 vs eg thread. this is even worse...how can i make an ls a gsr?</TD></TR></TABLE>

there was also a lot of misspelling in the last post (misinformation* retarded*)

adding a GSR crank and rods is counterintuitive, you just decreased the stroke thus less hp and tq

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SleeperGSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is alot of miss information on this thread. Well some is correct but they are just talking about worthless I/H/E mods that really arn't going to do much in the end. I'm surprised that no one has said this yet, so i will. If you want to keep up with a gsr, not too hard, get GSR crank and pistons and GSR head, Tune it up. If you put some extra money into your parts you'll be faster than a gsr. Up to you tho...You'll probably want to upgrade the tranny too, however if you go turbo i would keep the ls. However you didn't say how you wanted to keep up with a stock gsr, on the track or auto-x suspension is everything. You would be surprised what you could do with a tuned suspension and a good set of tires. Again this is as retarted as the oil thread if this is allowed to keep going unlock the dc2 vs eg thread. this is even worse...how can i make an ls a gsr?</TD></TR></TABLE>

While I can agree that there is some mis information in this thread, but I don't know if I can completely agree with you on keeping an LS tranny with a turbo build. The only reason I can think of (traction not being an issue) to keep the LS transmission is to have a higher top speed...but in normal driving who needs to be breaking the 120mph+ speed limit? I merely said that with a built tranny it can follow his mods. It will compliment both a N/A and a turbo build just fine.

Personally, a very nice suspension setup and a built driveline is an extremely nice starting block of building a good "play" car. The OP said that he got back he was going to do the "real ****" whatever that implies. I was merely offering my opinion on what a good start would be for when that "good ****" comes into play, whether it be motor swap, boost, or a mid engine sbc integra or whatever it may be.

 

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there was also a lot of misspelling in the last post (misinformation* retarded*)

adding a GSR crank and rods is counterintuitive, you just decreased the stroke thus less hp and tq
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Didn't know you were the official spell checker! thanks! it's still a retarded thread no matter how you spell it

Just getting at the ls bottom can't handle the GSR top without mods. Just didn't feel like getting into bench racing and all the other stuff that goes with the swap. It's in other locations on this site.

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While I can agree that there is some mis information in this thread, but I don't know if I can completely agree with you on keeping an LS tranny with a turbo build. The only reason I can think of (traction not being an issue) to keep the LS transmission is to have a higher top speed...but in normal driving who needs to be breaking the 120mph+ speed limit? I merely said that with a built tranny it can follow his mods. It will compliment both a N/A and a turbo build just fine.

Personally, a very nice suspension setup and a built driveline is an extremely nice starting block of building a good "play" car. The OP said that he got back he was going to do the "real ****" whatever that implies. I was merely offering my opinion on what a good start would be for when that "good ****" comes into play, whether it be motor swap, boost, or a mid engine sbc integra or whatever it may be.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree with your "play" car idea that's what i like to. I've never had a boosted car with an ls tranny, it might work if you fixed the bottom end so you could rev it up to 8-9. Might just keep you in a good power band with the turbo spooled. I like to think i'm a momentum driver and the ls tranny with a turbo might work. that's my only arguement about that, but someone would have probably said it does by now tho so it probably sucks. But for someones driving style it might, it's not out of the question.

 

keeping ls tranny provides longer gear time. if its fi, you dont want a gsr or itr tranny, too short of gearing

 

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It really depends on where you make your power.....and what you want to do with the car. I was just trying to provide an alternitive

 

idk if i know you, but your coming off sounding ignorant

for one you would destroke the ls just because you want gsr rods and compression? thats idiotic...

he could do cams, valvetrain, and a good i/h/e combo and put down 160ish whp which is right with most gsr's

and the ls transmission is the weakest point no matter what way you look at it, a gsr transmission is a good compromise between a good cruising trans and a fast accelerating transmission, although i would recommend a b16/b18c5 trans for all motor!!!

get your facts straight and don't be pointing fingers unless you know what your talking about

 

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false information, gsr gearing or itr gearing would improve acceleration dramatically as long as the car has traction

 

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false information, gsr gearing or itr gearing would improve acceleration dramatically as long as the car has traction</TD></TR></TABLE>

I really don't think there is anything false about that. We are looking at like 10 variables and nit picking on different aspects of the total solution.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coptzer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">idk if i know you, but your coming off sounding ignorant

for one you would destroke the ls just because you want gsr rods and compression? thats idiotic...

he could do cams, valvetrain, and a good i/h/e combo and put down 160ish whp which is right with most gsr's

and the ls transmission is the weakest point no matter what way you look at it, a gsr transmission is a good compromise between a good cruising trans and a fast accelerating transmission, although i would recommend a b16/b18c5 trans for all motor!!!

get your facts straight and don't be pointing fingers unless you know what your talking about</TD></TR></TABLE>

First off i didn't say anything about de-stroking, i should have been more clear and said a built bottom, so you can rev higher to take full advantage of a gsr head that i suggested using.

About the tranny, read. There was alot of theory in what i wrote and i know that is not why were are here. I was offering my opinion about an ls tranny and how it could possibly work with at motor with the correct power band.

Hey tho whatever, ask a vage question and get a vage answer. Sorry i ruined your nite bro.

 

Im thinking i/h/e and a b16 tranny in an LS will be a good race for a stock gsr up until 4th gear than your toast. If you want to hang with lightly modded gsr's youre probably going to need cams and valvetrain.