?'s about the differences in GSR and ITR block
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Besides the pistons is that the only thing that is different. Are the rods or crank different @ all.
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The reason I'm asking is because I blew my ITR motor up and bought a brand new head. I have the chance to get a GSR block for a good price. The only thing it needs is to be re-honed (Blow by). I was gonna keep the crank, bearings and rods and replace the GSR pistons with oversized CTR pistons. If they are the same then it really the only thing I'd be lacking then is the B18C or B18C5 on the block (Really I could care less. Now I can say its a GSR motor).
My goal right now is to get the car on the road with higher compression pistons (For future Spec C upgrades).
My only other alternative is buying a brand new block.
What would you guys do. Everyone's opinion and sugestions would be greatly appreciated.
My goal right now is to get the car on the road with higher compression pistons (For future Spec C upgrades).
My only other alternative is buying a brand new block.
What would you guys do. Everyone's opinion and sugestions would be greatly appreciated.
Yes the rods and the crank are also type-r specific.
Aren't they considerably lighter, Ed?
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Aren't they considerably lighter, Ed?
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i say gsr block wiff ctr slugs, and the rest of your arr chit would be a pretty decent setup. Although boost would be better
considerably lighter....not really
i say gsr block wiff ctr slugs, and the rest of your arr chit would be a pretty decent setup. Although boost would be better
i say gsr block wiff ctr slugs, and the rest of your arr chit would be a pretty decent setup. Although boost would be better
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Aren't they considerably lighter, Ed?
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.....I thought they were stronger and more closely balanced.
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Okay so let me ask you guys this question. Right now I'm not really concentrating on the car thing but since i have to rebukld this motor to have something to drive I figured I'd @ least put higher compression pistons in it.
Eventually next year I plan to go with Spec C's (Had B's and want more power). I know the C's and B's love compression.
Would a stock re-honed GSR block with stock rods and oversized CTR pistons be enough to support 200 whp. That was my ultimate goal before this happen'd and it will be next year. I want avoid having to swap cranks and rods if I don't need to. Tell me what you guys think.
If I can get away with a stock GSR bottom end with CTR pistons and a ITR cylinder head then that's probably what I'd do.
Eventually next year I plan to go with Spec C's (Had B's and want more power). I know the C's and B's love compression.
Would a stock re-honed GSR block with stock rods and oversized CTR pistons be enough to support 200 whp. That was my ultimate goal before this happen'd and it will be next year. I want avoid having to swap cranks and rods if I don't need to. Tell me what you guys think.
If I can get away with a stock GSR bottom end with CTR pistons and a ITR cylinder head then that's probably what I'd do.
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I mean can get by without it. I'm kinda leaning towards buying a brand new block (Less headache in the long run). I already have the brand new head. I get a new block and I have a new motor (Even changing the tranny and flywheel).
Thanks for all the replys guys.
Thanks for all the replys guys.
You know, if I was in your shoes ...
I'd get the GSR motor and a Drag III kit, or piece one together with a stand alone like Hondata ....
Don't you feel the FORCE of the dark side reaching out to you?!
I'd get the GSR motor and a Drag III kit, or piece one together with a stand alone like Hondata ....
Don't you feel the FORCE of the dark side reaching out to you?!
ditto!
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Well its not the entire GSR motor its just the block. I already have a brand ITR head with internals in it.
I would go boost but I'm actually trying to buy a house. I really can't afford to go boost right now. Unless you guys can show me where buying that block and buying (Piecing together) a turbo kit will be a)Cheaper then having a stock ITR motor or b) As reliable as a stock ITR motor (Its what I had in this car originally).
I would try to get a used block but there are so many headaches involved. The cheapest ITR block I've seen with decent miles is 1400. I won't know if there's anything wrong with it (Spun Rod bearing, blow by ETC) until after I'm stuck with it. For a few hundred more I can have a brand new fresh block assembled by Honda less the headache of dealing with someone elses problem or worse a scammer.
I have thought about getting the GSR block and turboing the **** out of it but I'm still gonna be looking @ a couple of hundred to get the block straight, 2500 for the turbo kit, another 1000 for extras (Boost controller, clutch etc). I could do all that but right now my focus is moving my family into something we can own, so wifey can be happy and my son has a place to play and run around.
I'm starting to feel like maybe I should just get the new block and leave the car alone until next year when I can mess with it.
I would go boost but I'm actually trying to buy a house. I really can't afford to go boost right now. Unless you guys can show me where buying that block and buying (Piecing together) a turbo kit will be a)Cheaper then having a stock ITR motor or b) As reliable as a stock ITR motor (Its what I had in this car originally).
I would try to get a used block but there are so many headaches involved. The cheapest ITR block I've seen with decent miles is 1400. I won't know if there's anything wrong with it (Spun Rod bearing, blow by ETC) until after I'm stuck with it. For a few hundred more I can have a brand new fresh block assembled by Honda less the headache of dealing with someone elses problem or worse a scammer.
I have thought about getting the GSR block and turboing the **** out of it but I'm still gonna be looking @ a couple of hundred to get the block straight, 2500 for the turbo kit, another 1000 for extras (Boost controller, clutch etc). I could do all that but right now my focus is moving my family into something we can own, so wifey can be happy and my son has a place to play and run around.
I'm starting to feel like maybe I should just get the new block and leave the car alone until next year when I can mess with it.
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How much would the this block cost to repair.
Damage is as follows: Crack sleeve (Needs to be resleeved), Bent rod, fried #1 piston.
I was going to replace all the pistons, rods, main bearing, and rod bearings (Unless you guys don't think I need to replace all the bearings). Plus cost of shipping it somewhere how much do you think I'd be looking @?
Damage is as follows: Crack sleeve (Needs to be resleeved), Bent rod, fried #1 piston.
I was going to replace all the pistons, rods, main bearing, and rod bearings (Unless you guys don't think I need to replace all the bearings). Plus cost of shipping it somewhere how much do you think I'd be looking @?
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Oh and Zyg I wouldn't be spending money on the car if I had a choice. This is (Was) my only car so I actually need to fix it to get back on the road. Old motor has alread ybeen sold, and even though I'm doing other things, it still doesn't mean I don't love my car. I already sold my Toda stuff, because I can't afford to have anything happen (Esp after a rebuild/fresh motor). I'll boost it or go serious N/A next year but for right now I'll settle for slightly lower then I was with the Toda stuff.
sell it local. but personally? strip it for the gsr block. use the itr crank and get everything balanced. you'll be real happy you did in the end. OR. put in stock gsr and be happy til another time after house is bought.(my suggestion). that means...save block for parts.
How much would the this block cost to repair.
Damage is as follows: Crack sleeve (Needs to be resleeved), Bent rod, fried #1 piston.
I was going to replace all the pistons, rods, main bearing, and rod bearings (Unless you guys don't think I need to replace all the bearings). Plus cost of shipping it somewhere how much do you think I'd be looking @?
Damage is as follows: Crack sleeve (Needs to be resleeved), Bent rod, fried #1 piston.
I was going to replace all the pistons, rods, main bearing, and rod bearings (Unless you guys don't think I need to replace all the bearings). Plus cost of shipping it somewhere how much do you think I'd be looking @?
Brand new ITR short block. Blue printed and balanced with Toda pistons installed. Ready to drop in. 12.3:1 standard compression ratio.
Godspeed/Toda B18C5 block - $4000
Web site: http://godspeed.hack.net/toda.html
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that's an idea Lip I didn't even think of that. I'd just have to get the GSR block re-honed and re-ringed because it had blow by.



