Well i'm undecided which way to go for the R...

ENDYN CF INTAKE




or

TWM 52mm ITB's





Please... your opinions, whether good or bad is appreciated. I'm more leaning towards the itbs though. Thanks, you guys are the best

 

IMO ITB's would be bad *** to have, but as I am sure you are aware, there's a lot of tuning to be done to get them right

 

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Well i have a good tuner who tuned them on quite a few R's before... turned out pretty good, even spanked a couple of lightly modded k's.

 

If it were me, ITB's would be my choice, but St Louis isn't known for good tuners, just good ricers so I would have to go to Chicago to get it tuned

 

Well, the Endyn CF IM isn't really anything special to be honest. There are IM's out there for half the price (such as the Performer-X) that make more power.

If you're motor is of a higher compression and you feel you're not getting the most out of your build, than swapping to the Endyn might net you some power.

If the motor is stock, there's really no point to either one. The headache vs. power gained is marginal for both pieces. The money could be spent elsewhere on the vehicle where it could be put to better use.

Perhaps if you post up the specs of your motor (Stock or modified), we could better direct you to an educated decision

 

honestly some headwork would probably give u better gains

 

Cool. It's been year's since I've seen a ENDYN CF intake. Why did you opt for this piece over the others?

 

^ Take a wild guess.

 

Sell it, and use the return to get some nice porting, and a tune. You'd see more power.

 

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I'm just working with what falls my way... One of the retailers i deal with explained that the cf intake would make more power than the itbs since it doesn't conduct heat or less heat than a standard aluminum im, so i figured i'd try it.

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Looks good also

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The head is at the machine shop getting a port, polish and valve job...

Totsie7944 was explaing that the Jenvey itb are actually way better... any thoughts/comments???


Modified by sheekdude at 3:29 AM 10/3/2007

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98 ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, the Endyn CF IM isn't really anything special to be honest. There are IM's out there for half the price (such as the Performer-X) that make more power.

If you're motor is of a higher compression and you feel you're not getting the most out of your build, than swapping to the Endyn might net you some power.

If the motor is stock, there's really no point to either one. The headache vs. power gained is marginal for both pieces. The money could be spent elsewhere on the vehicle where it could be put to better use.

Perhaps if you post up the specs of your motor (Stock or modified), we could better direct you to an educated decision </TD></TR></TABLE>

Motor specs:
Stock itr bottom end
Port and polished head
Supertech flat faced high comp valves
Skunk2 stage 3's
440 Rc injectors
68mm Tb
Tri Y Headers
Omni 2.5" Test pipe
Tanabe Hyper Medalion Exhaust
*Was thinking of swapping in a LS crank, rods, w/ctr pistons)*

My goals are to have a nicely modded weekend driver that i can perhaps track maybe 2 or more for the year...


Modified by sheekdude at 3:25 AM 10/3/2007

 

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I'm just working with what falls my way... One of the retailers i deal with explained that the cf intake would make more power than the itbs since it doesn't conduct heat or less heat than a standard aluminum im, so i figured i'd try it.
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The thing is that you're dealing with two TOTALLY different technologies. Simply cooling the air by a fraction won't net as much power as a properly tuned ITB setup. Those Endyn IMs are probably good for a few WHP on a stock motor, and maybe up to the high single digits on something built.

But as I said before, if your motor is basically stock (which it seems to be) neither of those should be on your shopping list. Honestly, it's not even worth the trouble.

If you were to up your compression, add some cams and a nice exhaust path, than I'd start looking at these parts as the final piece of the puzzle to maximize power potential.

If you're looking for bling, than sure ...

If you're looking to go faster, this is the wrong stage in the build for these parts. You've got plenty to do before these will be put to proper use.

 

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The thing is that you're dealing with two TOTALLY different technologies. Simply cooling the air by a fraction won't net as much power as a properly tuned ITB setup. Those Endyn IMs are probably good for a few WHP on a stock motor, and maybe up to the high single digits on something built.

But as I said before, if your motor is basically stock (which it seems to be) neither of those should be on your shopping list. Honestly, it's not even worth the trouble.

If you were to up your compression, add some cams and a nice exhaust path, than I'd start looking at these parts as the final piece of the puzzle to maximize power potential.

If you're looking for bling, than sure ...

If you're looking to go faster, this is the wrong stage in the build for these parts. You've got plenty to do before these will be put to proper use.

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***Edit***

You posted your engine specs as I was replying

Still though .... on stock compression and those cams, I stick by my previous statement. The money could be better utilized.

 

I would like to point out. I did not make this statement.
"Sell it, and use the return to get some nice porting, and a tune. You'd see more power."

 

I hope its not some average machine shop doing the headwork, especially the VJ. Sell the IM and pick up a Performer-X.

Don't use CTR pistons.

 

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"Sell it, and use the return to get some nice porting, and a tune. You'd see more power."</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry... it was Go-Fight-Kill

 

If thats your DD then ITBs may not be the best choice? But i would love to have a set!

 

I went with the bigger Intake Manifold instead of ITB.

 

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what were your torque #'s when you tune w/91 oct?

 

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Don't use CTR pistons.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm with Aquaman on this one... I'd probably punt the manifold too... well after I installed it and got some tuning/fun out of it first...

 

why not on the ctr's?

 

ITR&gt;CTR

Waste of money to swap. Money could be spent elsewhere

 

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Waste of money to swap. Money could be spent elsewhere</TD></TR></TABLE>

He asked for a reason... CTR pistons are the heaviest, of ALL B-Series pistons. The dome is way too high, the flame doesn't dispurse well over the piston, due to the high dome. What you want, is to increase CR, with the flattest surface possible, not with a Mount Everest dome.

Honestly, if I were you, I'd do some JDM P30 pistons. 11.4:1CR would be much more usable than 13:1CR with heavy *** pistons, and a ridiculously tall dome.

Civic Type-R pistons:



JDM P30 pistons:



Here's the link to buy the JDM P30s are H-Motors.

$296 with rings. I'm ordering mine soon.

 

Wow, that's pretty cheap for pistons and rings. Can you run those with everything else sotck internally?

 

Other than a tune, yes. I'm doing the following soon, in preparation for the head I'll build eventually:

- JDM P30 pistons/rings .25" over (Just to be sure)
- OEM bearings
- OEM oil pump
- Replace valveseals

I'm burning so much oil, I no longer enjoy getting on it, or even getting on the highway. So something needs to be done, I can't wait until I build my new head to fix this oil consumption issue. It has to be addressed now.


Modified by GO-FIGHT-KILL at 10:30 AM 10/3/2007