crower stage 2 or skunk2 camshaft stage two. which would ya pick the most out of two. i got a prelude 98 sh and am thinking real hard bout it

 

Skunk2

 

i heard skunk 2 pro series stage 1 cams are the best for h22s with no internals

 

wheres mgags when u need em lol. i think he sellin some crower stg 2's he should tell u how those were. now to see how the skunk2's are

 

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same thing i was gonna say. matts regretting that decision to run crower and so i am i. i have stage 2 and i havent seen that much out of them but then again i havent finished my build and gotten tuned. but mgags7 was all motor and he said he would have went with skunk 2's and i think i will be doing the same. if you want to buy mines ill sell em

 

i'm going to be heading back to the dyno soon after fixing my fueling issue and im going to try reducing the amount of overlap that the cams have.

currently running crower stage 2 with modified primaries. Made 188whp on stock cams, then 193whp with the crowers. After fixing my fueling issue, it feels much better. I'm hoping that reducing the overlap will kick the power back in. Me and Rosko had the same symptoms to this issue (different cams) and he gained a shitload more power. Not going to say his result will be like mine, lol, but it sure could explain the minimal power gains.

right now i have no opinion that would be considered valid.

 

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no foundation. no argument no reason: Bullshit answer.

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Well I heard that you're a bitch. First hand experince only please.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by preludefien &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have stage 2 and i havent seen that much out of them but then again i havent finished my build and gotten tuned.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah my new camshafts in my nonVTEC were worse than stock too. Oh that's right because I had to TUNE them. Pass judgement *after* you've bothered to remap the ecu.

Damn people.

bb608901, if you have a stock bottom end then you'd do better to run a milder cam than S2S2. Read up, do more research and be sure to tune whatever cam selection you go with. If you intend to Keep ATTS then you had better think a lot about what you intend to tune with.

Pirate

 

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I disagree.

 

Just a dyno graph doesn't tell us a whole lot. I can make any cam lose power on a dyno.

I don't see anything wrong with Crower. I've seen people on HT post good gains from using Crower cams, and I've seen good gains from Skunk2 cams as well.

I'm selling Crower cams; however not because I don't think they're worth it. Quite the contrary. I'd love to use them, but I can't in the race class that I'll be running next year. So don't think I'm too biased.


Modified by 117 at 10:32 AM 10/1/2007

 

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Hopefully the person that tuned the car both times wasn't trying to as well.


But yes, I've seen a few people seem to do okay with the CS2 or CS3. I'm not one of them, thus my answer: "Skunk2".

 

So are you using Skunk2 cams?

 

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I think it's pretty evident that I'm using Crowers.

 

From personal experience the skunk 2 pro series one cams are very aggressive....and you need new internals and i would suggest intake manifold and tb..also a very good tune thats if you get them

 

I re-read your post. I understand now that you're a disgruntled Crower user.

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Yeah, that's my car's dynos posted up there.

 

Ah, well that would have been nice to know! What else has been done to the engine?

 

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SMS header, 2.5" SMS cat, 2.5" piping to a 3" dynomax super turbo.
Run 14 was the OE intake pipe with airbox detached, Run 39 added an AEM HAI plus the cams and some cam gears.
Tuned with Crome.

Since then, added 68mm TB, Euro-R IM and Neptune for DIY tuning but my last dyno results were screwed up by something going wrong. (it put down 140whp )

 

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117 what do you mean by modified idle lobes, on your crower camshafts?

 

You went from NepTune to Chrome??

Very interesting results. I put down 204WHP SAE corrected on two different dynojets with my car (granted it's a track car), and I'm using stock cams. It seems there's some tweaking that needs to be done in your setup.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by A Blue Lude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SMS header, 2.5" SMS cat, 2.5" piping to a 3" dynomax super turbo.
Run 14 was the OE intake pipe with airbox detached, Run 39 added an AEM HAI plus the cams and some cam gears.
Tuned with Crome.

Since then, added 68mm TB, Euro-R IM and Neptune for DIY tuning but my last dyno results were screwed up by something going wrong. (it put down 140whp )</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Crower sells two versions. Stock primary lobes (i.e. idle lobes) and modified primary lobes. Mine are the modified versions.

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117 what do you mean by modified idle lobes, on your crower camshafts? </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

so im guessing the camshafts that come with stock primary lobes idle normally at 750RPMs??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 117 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You went from NepTune to Chrome??

Very interesting results. I put down 204WHP SAE corrected on two different dynojets with my car (granted it's a track car), and I'm using stock cams. It seems there's some tweaking that needs to be done in your setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I went from Crome tuned by someone else (what you see in those dynos, last year) to Neptune tuned by me this year.

I would honestly say seeing 204whp out of a factory spec H22A4 is atypical. If I had made that much with H/E (actually got 182) I would have been making an easy 35hp more than other local, bolt-on 5gs on the same dyno. But so much of it is how generous the dyno or correction factor is, they do vary a decent amount.


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Yup. Lots of valve tick atm, though. But it runs normally and putters around just fine on the stock ECU as well. I'll have to e-test them next summer, hoping for the best.

 

Geez, reading comprehension owns me today. Now that I reread, I see what you're saying about going from Chrome to NepTune!!

Well, I don't believe the dynos that I ran on were exceptionally generous. I did 204WHP on Rotary Performance's dyno jet, then 195WHP at National Prelude Meet 2006, where everyone said the dyno results were about 10WHP lower than typical, and then 204WHP again on T1 Race Development's dyno not too long ago. I think the main thing is that the engine is built right.

A similar engine that I built did 195WHP (IIRC) on T1's dyno, but he's using a DC header with GReddy exhaust. I'm using SMSP with a fairly open exhaust. I'm on NepTune, and he's using Hondata S300. Otherwise, not much difference at all between the two.

Keep in mind both engines were very carefully built. While using all spec parts and all spec clearances, they were built "correctly."

 

Ah, right. I was forgetting that while it is a stock spec H22A4 that doesn't mean you havn't just rebuilt it yourself

Mine is merely a 60k mile engine that Honda made just like any other engine 7 or so years ago.

 

OOOH well you have personal experience then, well that's different, now isn't it? Now the OP can look at your posts and use information you posted to help determine which direction to go. See? Now it looks like you're not just spouting a brandname. Now my question for you is what did you pull with Skunk2 cams then? 210?

Here's what my lowly H22 of yore did on Type-S cams and crappy exhaust.

http://www.we-todd-did-racing....e.gif

Type-S cams are less aggresive than your Skunk2 and your Crower 2s. What really made it come alive was a nice header and come intake cam adjustments. Nobody likes Type-S cams anymore. They're so cheap too.

And FWIW my friend on a nice header and Crower2s made 209whp with a bit of tuning.

I think most of the problems with the H22 and bigger cams is that 10:1 compression is pretty weak. People expect huge gains and when they don't make as much power they blame the cams. I mean really, what do you expect from 10:1? At least mill the head a bit and install some flat-faced valves to get you up to ~11:1.

Pirate