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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 07:17 AM
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I had a CC stage 4 clutch in May I want to say. After about a month the flywheel bolts backed out. I thought damn I guess I should have used loctite, although I never used it before. So I order another stage 4 CC clutch. That same week at the track every the same thing happened but messed up the crank trends so there went that crank. So I thought maybe its just me sucking at life I'll try again. This time I got a CC stage 5 clutch with upgraded PP. Went and got retuned at tempest. Got my omnipower suspenion this week. I was actually excited while driving to the track yesterday. Well the first pass from 1-2 shift pp broke at MIR last time. Coasted to midway of track and called AAA. Now I know a lot of people have had awesome luck with them. This king of crap only happens to me. I do know I will never buy a CC any stage again, I'm taking the one out of my 98' prelude out today just in case it happens in that car since that is my DD. Guess I'm going to have to get a twin disk
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 07:24 AM
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damn i thought we saw your car pulling out of MIR on a trailer last night, we got there kinda late.


give us a call on monday and we can get you set up with an exedy twin disk. we have never had any issues with any of the exedy twins we have ever sold or installed, and its the same clutch i use in my car.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 07:32 AM
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How is it driving on the street, not to bad I hope. The omnipower doesn't ride as harsh as everyone makes it seem.


Modified by 90teg at 11:55 AM 9/22/2007
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 07:38 AM
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drives fine. takes half a day or so to get used to it starting off from a dead stop. but then its great.

i had the same pressure plate problem you were having years ago with ACT clutches. switched to the exedy twin and havnt had a problem since. car has gone from 200 to 300 to 400 to 500 to 600 to 700 to 800+ horsepower. i think i was around 400 when i switched to the twin.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 08:36 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90teg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I had a CC stage 4 clutch in May I want to say. After about a month the flywheel bolts backed out. I thought damn I guess I should have used loctite, although I never used it before. So I order another stage 4 CC clutch. That same week at the track every the same thing happened but messed up the crank trends so there went that crank. So I thought maybe its just me sucking at life I'll try again. This time I got a CC stage 5 clutch with upgraded PP. Went and got retuned at tempest. Got my omnipower suspenion this week. I was actually excited while driving to the track yesterday. Well the first pass from 1-2 shift pp broke at MIR last time. Coasted to midway of track and called AAA. Now I know a lot of people have had awesome luck with them. This king of crap only happens to me. I do know I will never buy a CC any stage again, I'm taking the one out of my 98' prelude out today just in case it happens in that car since that is my DD. Guess I'm going to have to get a twin disk </TD></TR></TABLE>

had the same thing where the flywheel bolts backed out and f**ked my CC stage 4...never again...
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 08:43 AM
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Damn, and I was just looking to buy a CC Stage 4 clutch.

Hopefully CC can chime in and let us know what's up.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 08:57 AM
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To the Original Poster, what flywheel are you using?

Also what crank pulley are you using?
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 09:02 AM
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I am using a CC steel flywheel and a brand new gsr crank pulley. All the flywheel bolts, pp bolts and crank pulley bolts are new.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 09:14 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90teg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am using a CC steel flywheel and a brand new gsr crank pulley. All the flywheel bolts, pp bolts and crank pulley bolts are new.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Very very weird. I have not had any customers in 3 years have any problems like this with these clutches.

What is your motor set up? I really don't think it is the clutch at all, these are not excessively stiff pressure plates. I had heard of some people having issues with Aluminum flywheels since they can shift and back the bolts out.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 09:38 AM
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no problems with the cc clutches ive owned(twin disc and stage 2)...even when using an aluminum flywheel on the stage 2
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 10:07 AM
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Very very weird. I have not had any customers in 3 years have any problems like this with these clutches.

What is your motor set up? I really don't think it is the clutch at all, these are not excessively stiff pressure plates. I had heard of some people having issues with Aluminum flywheels since they can shift and back the bolts out. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I know lots of people with this clutch that has no issues. But I'm am not as fortunate as them and everyone else it seems. It's a built b18c1, made 447whp month ago. Tranny and motor is working perfectly. Slave and master cylinder are brand new, new t.o. bearing. If it wasn't the clutch then what could it be? Flywheel bolts did not back out, crank pulley working as it should, oil pump still working. Only thing that broke was the pressure plate. It's not like I am making goobs of power, clutch just isn't holding.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 10:14 AM
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I have a CC Stage 4 on my 420whp integra its been holding up so far. Except I used ARP Flywheel & Pressure Plate bolts. Arp lube on the flywheel bolts torqued to 85 ft lbs and blue loctite on the PP bolts torqued to 20 ft lbs. I have about 2000 miles on that clutch with no problems.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 10:19 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90teg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I know lots of people with this clutch that has no issues. But I'm am not as fortunate as them and everyone else it seems. It's a built b18c1, made 447whp month ago. Tranny and motor is working perfectly. Slave and master cylinder are brand new, new t.o. bearing. If it wasn't the clutch then what could it be? Flywheel bolts did not back out, crank pulley working as it should, oil pump still working. Only thing that broke was the pressure plate. It's not like I am making goobs of power, clutch just isn't holding.</TD></TR></TABLE>

OOps I misread your first post then, I though the problems all along were the flywheel bolts kept backing out? This happened twice? Then now you have a broken pressure plate?

The flywheel bolts backing out I do not think have anything to do with the clutches. Now your pressure plate going bad , have Competition Clutch check that out. Sometimes things do happen, they will fix it as long as it is under warranty.

Let me clarify though, 1st two times flywheel bolts backed out? What damage other than the crank the second time? Have you pulled the clutch out now? What exactly broke, a strap?
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 10:34 AM
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Yes first 2 times backed out. The second time it just damaged the crank. But I used a different block, crank this time out. The teeth things, 2 of them broke. The teeth where the t.o. bearing touches.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 10:35 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WalkerGSR1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a CC Stage 4 on my 420whp integra its been holding up so far. Except I used ARP Flywheel & Pressure Plate bolts. Arp lube on the flywheel bolts torqued to 85 ft lbs and blue loctite on the PP bolts torqued to 20 ft lbs. I have about 2000 miles on that clutch with no problems.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This had 2786miles on it.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 10:40 AM
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Also I don't know if this has anything to do with the issue but at least 3 different times at the track when I launch out the hole the cluch pedal would stay stuck on the floor board. I have no idea why this happened, but only it happened 4 times at the track counting yesterday. I bleed the clutch line at least 5 times, but it still did it. Any clue what that's about?
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 01:12 PM
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i had 2 cc clutches go out on me. in the first the cage that holds the spring broke and messed up the fly. the second the pp broke. this is on two diff cars.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 03:47 PM
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The clutch staying on the floorboard is because when stuff backs out or breaks in the clutch area it pushes the slave cylinder back in, kind of like pushing the piston back in on front brakes, you have the brake pedal go to the floor until you pump it up. You most likely have an imbalance in your reciprocating assy, maybe the crank, or front pulley. It is weird even with a different engine. I had a crank that was improperly balanced back in the day so it caused the same issue and broke my oil pump also. The flywheel also may be damaged if it backed off of the engine to the point you should replace. A loose flywheel isn't a joke, it could become a serious projectile. You should call Competition Clutch because I have personally installed many clutches and flywheels in customer's vehicles along with my own with no effect. Good luck man, hope you figure it out.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 04:12 PM
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The flywheel didn't come loose, crank pulley is new, crankshaft has been balanced, oil pump is working as it should. If it was a motor issue it would have died long ago. The motor is working perfectly.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 06:17 PM
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Call CC Monday. They might have some insight. That is weird. Good luck.
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 06:38 PM
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hope you get this sorted out man. my brothers friend had the same thing happen to him when he had the CC stage 4. but stock flywheel just shaved a bit and an ITR crank in his GSR motor. he switched to a spec clutch and hasn't had a problem since.

exedy and spec ftw
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 10:47 PM
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damn sad to hear. i've done 2 cc stage 5 on mine and my friends car with no problems at all. hope you get it all sorted out
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 11:44 PM
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I had a bad twin disc CC.. then got it replaced with a new one CC.. I used blue loctite and bolts back out and blew my diff on my trans. this time used red loctite.. fingers crossed
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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 07:34 AM
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i run over 450+ and 300trq i run a cc stage4 sprung also 20,000km on it and couple drag nights also, it still preforms the way it did since the install
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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 08:36 AM
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Ive got the stage 5... runnin 400-500whp and 300+ tq
Track driven and daily driven.. and never had any problems with it..
and CC has always been good to me..
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