I have a fully built 1995 Civic EJ1 coupe with the JDM DC2 5 lug conversion. It is a street/show car and not a track or drag car.

http://rides.hondatuningmagazi....html

I am thinking about swapping the OEM ITR front calipers for the Spoon twinblock calipers, yet keep the OEM sized 11.1 inch rotors. My current brake setup is Brembo CD/slotted rotors, EBC greenstuff pads, Goodrich stainless lines, '95 Civic Si 4040 prop valve, and '01 Integra GSR brake booster and master cylinder.

After researching the Spoon 4 pot calipers, I know that I can still use my existing stainless steel brake lines, and still use brake pads of my choice that are OEM spec and sizing. The size of the calipers should be compatible with most aftermarket wheels that are 15" and above with 40-44mm offsets. The twinblock calipers are direct plug and play to the DC2 5 lug spindle.

After researching the NSX 2 pot calipers, same as above. Are all front NSX calipers the same from 1991 to the present???

Is it even worth it to upgrade to one of these caliper sets? Are there noticable differences between these caliper sets versus the OEM ITR calipers if all else stays the same?



Modified by Toy Civic at 9:37 PM 9/20/2007

 

Wrong forum..But if itz not for track..Dont; need to upgrade! the Type R ones is sufficient!

 

not all nsx calipersare the same! look it up, it's been done lots of times, and there are a few good writeups

 

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Why is this the wrong forum?

I understand your point about the effectiveness of OEM versus Spoon, but if you were a show judge, which ones would you prefer???

 

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Why is this the wrong forum?

I understand your point about the effectiveness of OEM versus Spoon, but if you were a show judge, which ones would you prefer??? </TD></TR></TABLE>

because its honda-tech and these forums are going to **** including this one. go with the spoon, more bling for you show car.

 

Are you trying to improve performance or showiness? If performance, it's completely unnecessary. If showiness, I don't think the NSX calipers will be any more bling than ITR ones, and will be a pain in the *** to deal with.

 

ive been a show judge for the past 7 years specializing in honda civics.
the thing that i look for most is jdm.
is the mod jdm?
if so then i look for rareness
is a spoon caliper more rare than a spoon
is is a nsx r caliper?
what ever is more jdm and more race gets points.

a secret from the judges- skyline/porsche turbo brakes score highest on our scale.
btw, i think your engine doesnt make close to 220! lol

 

Why not AP Racing (Lockheed) calipers? Brembos? Project Mu? Endless?

How about Porches GT1 8 piston calipers?

There is much more out there...


Modified by Sturmmann at 10:45 PM 9/20/2007

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sturmmann &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why not AP Racing (Lockheed) calipers? Brembos? Project Mu? Endless?

How about Porches GT1 8 piston calipers?

There is much more out there...so much more...learn it up then you may actually win something?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have always known about aftermarket brake upgrades and most of the major brands. Most of the aftermarket calipers require upgrading to 12-14 inch rotors, which also requires 17inch or bigger rims.

If I had a wildly built car, then that makes sense. But I am trying to keep my car mild and OEM looking with the subtle JDM and show touches. Plus with my car being classified as a daily driver, I may want the option of putting 15's back on the car.

 

Alright buddy I take that back...

Choose Endless then...you can still use 15" wheels. Endless system kit has 11.1" rotors.

No other BBK has that option. Except only caliper upgrades which you are deciding on already...oem 2 piston NSX and Spoon mono/twin block.

Spoon caliper is played out...Endless will rule supreme. Plus Endless is much better system compared to nsx/spoon...in terms of function. For show...well IMO

I have a set on my 00 EJ8 DD.

 

WHy?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sturmmann &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Alright buddy I take that back...

Choose Endless then...you can still use 15" wheels. Endless system kit has 11.1" rotors.

No other BBK has that option. Except only caliper upgrades which you are deciding on already...oem 2 piston NSX and Spoon mono/twin block.

Spoon caliper is played out...Endless will rule supreme. Plus Endless is much better system compared to nsx/spoon...in terms of function. For show...well IMO

I have a set on my 00 EJ8 DD.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Do you have the 4 pot calipers with those 11.1 inch rotors?

Do I need to buy the ENTIRE Endless big brake kit, or can I just buy the calipers only to use on my existing rotors?

How much $$$ ???

 

I use 4x100 so my only option was system kit. I forgot the exact price but it cost around $2,400 with shipping and tax.
Got it two years ago in silver though most people get blue...again played out...but to each his own.

For DC2R, there is option of caliper only and brake system. From japan site retail is:
207,900 yen = $1,793 / Calipers
249,900 yen = $2,155 / Brake system

Give them a call at (714) 847-0694
or email Kent at kentrchen@aol.com

Their US website had been down for the past year and I believe it won't be up anytime soon. You can visit endless-sport.co.jp for japan site.

NSX/Spoon is cheaper...way cheaper...

Here are two pictures to give you an idea when dealing with Endless calipers...
First is 15". Second is 16". Both BBS RG-F

 

AP racing can do a kit 4x100 for civic that fits under 15" rims

11.6-inch AP Racing rotors and 4 piston calipers i think

 

Thanks for the info. I'm sure that would be nice but wouldn't it be a custom kit then?

The OP is using 5x114.3...it's about what he wants not me

 

OP GTFO!!!!

Really... you should be in either the Hybrid forum or the Appearence and Cosmetic forum.

 

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Really... you should be in either the Hybrid forum or the Appearence and Cosmetic forum. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I posted here because my brake system is from the DC2 5 lug, and I was wanting to know if there was a FUNCTIONAL difference between ITR OEM brakes versus others. I'm sorry if you got offended when the discussion brought up the looks of these brake systems.

 

But your discussing spoon calipers and NSX calipers, of which neither are ITR...

Sure... you might have some ITR parts but now a days... what civic doesn't?

Again, you were asking about "Show Points" so take it to appearance and cosmetics... they might be able to help out.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dave_B &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But your discussing spoon calipers and NSX calipers, of which neither are ITR...

Sure... you might have some ITR parts but now a days... what civic doesn't?

Again, you were asking about "Show Points" so take it to appearance and cosmetics... they might be able to help out.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You are not getting me.

I originally posted here because my underlying theme is OEM versus aftermarket with a DC2 5 lug. Whether my DC2 5 lug is on a Civic or on an actual ITR doesn't matter here.

I view NSX calipers and Spoon calipers as OEM Honda pieces. I want to maintain the OEM sized rotors. All other big brake kits on the other hand are aftermarket, which I am not interested in.

So back to my original question. Is there a functional difference between an OE ITR brake setup versus NSX or Spoon? And so far the answer I am getting is no there isn't. I didn't build my car to be a showcar, but something I wanted that I take to shows.

 

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And so far the answer I am getting is no there isn't. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yep. End thread.