84mm GE GSR block
B16A head with skunk valvetrain and mild port work
ITR IM
RLD mani
Hybridynamics IC piping
Precision 600hp IC
tuned on hondata

turbo is a T3/60-1 Ball bearing with S comp cover and .63 ar stage III exhuast side



thanks to all the guys at hybridynamics. denis for the tune, Jay for the motor assembly and eric for all the work to get it back in the car so I could race at a local event last friday.

 

how much boost ?

 

25psi

 

Was that a boost spike around 6200rpm?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by highschooler &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Was that a boost spike around 6200rpm?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I believe so. it is kind of jumpy because the boost controller sucks. I need a new boost controller, a 44mm gate, and .82 hotside and go for 600whp. ohh and this was on a totally beat on ACT 2600 6 puck

 

hmmm. interesting.

 

thanks guys I am really happy with the power and it did 450whp on pump so driving it is really fun even without the race gas

 

super sweet

 

very nice. gives me some hope for more power on race gas and also counters some of the recent info on the max limit of the 60-1....


what psi did you make the 450 on pump with?

 

What RPM did you see 25 psi at?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">very nice. gives me some hope for more power on race gas and also counters some of the recent info on the max limit of the 60-1....


what psi did you make the 450 on pump with? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm sorry, I don't consider this "countering" anything. Several pulls on a dyno with that amount of heat does not a reliable turbo make.

I'm not trying to sound dishearting to the original poster.. I mean, congratulations, and good luck to you with such horsepower, but this is not at all a condoning of beating a turbo to its maximum, just to say that it can.

 

nice, and this post honestly made my night when i read "hybridynamics IC piping"

i havent ever seen anyone on here use them before and was wondering if you wouldnt mind if i pm'd you a few questions so i dont clog ur thread. I am looking to turbo a SOHC with built bottom and top end and was wondering about piping and tuning and stuff locally. I am from Berlin (somerset county), where you located? i see SW PA, but where exactly. Looking for a friend that isnt a ricer and i can ask shop questions

 

nice power on a 60-1, especially seeing ur running a stage 3 wheel...congrats

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">very nice. gives me some hope for more power on race gas and also counters some of the recent info on the max limit of the 60-1....


what psi did you make the 450 on pump with? </TD></TR></TABLE>

19psi was the 450 pull on pump.

as for this turbo being reliable it is. it is a ball bearing turbo not a journal bearing so it will take that back presure like a champ and the torque isnt falling off much so I think there is still more in the turbo.

it made 25psi about 6000rpm

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheShodan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I'm sorry, I don't consider this "countering" anything. Several pulls on a dyno with that amount of heat does not a reliable turbo make.

I'm not trying to sound dishearting to the original poster.. I mean, congratulations, and good luck to you with such horsepower, but this is not at all a condoning of beating a turbo to its maximum, just to say that it can.</TD></TR></TABLE>
How can you say anything bad about the 60-1 turbo it is a great turbo at a very reasonable price
sure the gt series turbos are newer technology and superior but to knock on a turbo that has been the heart of many many very fast cars especially a ball bearing version that is just stupid, and unreliable.... yea right garret put there name on that is enough said right there besides 25psi on a ball bearing turbo she will run strong for plenty of miles. Now think about it a minute and say something smart like...... Nice numbers man very impresive you should try the .82a/r stage 5 exhaust setup then you could probably break the 600whp mark.

Nice looking dyno I see you used the rld manifold..... nice
Ron is the man

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by adubaz7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How can you say anything bad about the 60-1 turbo it is a great turbo at a very reasonable price
sure the gt series turbos are newer technology and superior but to knock on a turbo that has been the heart of many many very fast cars especially a ball bearing version that is just stupid, and unreliable.... yea right garret put there name on that is enough said right there besides 25psi on a ball bearing turbo she will run strong for plenty of miles. Now think about it a minute and say something smart like...... Nice numbers man very impresive you should try the .82a/r stage 5 exhaust setup then you could probably break the 600whp mark.

Nice looking dyno I see you used the rld manifold..... nice
Ron is the man </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks. I am goin to try the .82 housing and a bigger gate and see if it will hit 600whp. probably just goin to do a clutch for right now and have a reliable set up with 550+whp

also that tune was without touching the cam gears at all

 

what gate do you have now?

also how did you do this weekend

 

I have a tial 38mm with 1 bar spring. with the clutch pretty much shot it went 11.01@130mph on slicks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BoostR41 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a tial 38mm with 1 bar spring. with the clutch pretty much shot it went 11.01@130mph on slicks.</TD></TR></TABLE>

My bad I overlooked the times at the bottom Real nice times not bad at all
I am not sure you will really see any gains though from the larger gate it will only really help at a lower boost level I believe I would into that exhaust side for some real gains

 

Lookin good Sammie!! Congrats! Get that clutch ASAP so we can see that thing go 10'sssssssssssssss

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by adubaz7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now think about it a minute and say something smart like...... Nice numbers man very impresive you should try the .82a/r stage 5 exhaust setup then you could probably break the 600whp mark.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ohhh noes! You're poking a tiger with a stick (no pun intended).

 

What size runners are on your manifold??

IT just seems like you are spooling really late.

What boost controller are you using? Just the Hondata?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by adubaz7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
How can you say anything bad about the 60-1 turbo it is a great turbo at a very reasonable price
sure the gt series turbos are newer technology and superior but to knock on a turbo that has been the heart of many many very fast cars especially a ball bearing version that is just stupid, and unreliable.... yea right garret put there name on that is enough said right there besides 25psi on a ball bearing turbo she will run strong for plenty of miles. Now think about it a minute and say something smart like...... Nice numbers man very impresive you should try the .82a/r stage 5 exhaust setup then you could probably break the 600whp mark.

Nice looking dyno I see you used the rld manifold..... nice
Ron is the man </TD></TR></TABLE>

I said nothing about using a GT turbo as an alternative, nor did I make any mention of GT series at all. A ball-bearing cartridge in and of itself does not a GT make. Please, if you could, re-read my original post. my concern was mainly for the turbine wheel's shaft speed, and its longevity particularly set that compressor wheel at that power level. As one that's seen them used on the original GT Bentley where it came from back in 1992, I see nothing wrong with my specific area of concern. I didn't say it wasn't impressive.. I simply stated a concern over time.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gator88 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nice, and this post honestly made my night when i read "hybridynamics IC piping"

i havent ever seen anyone on here use them before and was wondering if you wouldnt mind if i pm'd you a few questions so i dont clog ur thread. I am looking to turbo a SOHC with built bottom and top end and was wondering about piping and tuning and stuff locally. I am from Berlin (somerset county), where you located? i see SW PA, but where exactly. Looking for a friend that isnt a ricer and i can ask shop questions </TD></TR></TABLE>

I use hybrid for all my tuning needs. Very cool to work with and always helpful for any questions or issues i run into!

Sam glad the car runs good!!! I miss my 60-1 on my Race motor...not matter what it would run perfect!!

Cant wait for you to throw the twin disk in next year!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by adubaz7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">garret put there name on that is enough said right there </TD></TR></TABLE>

You obviously have never looked at a compressor map before. That shaft is moving over 110,000 rpm at that power level, and heavily loaded too. Garrett makes a quality product, but they haven't 'pwned' the laws of physics - their stuff still breaks when run beyond what it was designed for. I'm willing to bet the original wheel was designed to be used with a big shaft t04 chra/turbine, not a t3 toothpick.

Most people that sell a product won't define 'maximum' as 110% of the reliability limit.

Anyways, looks like a good setup. 3K rpm of big power is more than enough, and it should still be crazy if the .82 exhaust slows spoolup a bit. You should just skip to a big divided turbine housing instead