A couple of years back I posed a question when I was working at TurnerMotorsport if 10 seconds for $10,000 could be a reality.. well today I would say you could do it for much less than that w/ current pricing but more importantly the knowledge gained by this industry in tuning and in turbo development since that post was made.. back in 04"

So can someone run 9's in SFWD trim for $10k or under .. including the price of the car ?? I would be interested to hear your opinions on this topic

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No way!

Just in safety, drivetrain, fuel system with out the engine/turbo kit set up you're over that already...

-9 sec NHRA spec. Rollcage $1800
-Catch Pan $400
-Window net, On/Off Switch, Parachute, seat belt $1000
-Helmet, Jacket, Pants & shoes $900
-Axles (Reliable kit) $1200-$1700
-Suspension $600
-Clutch $1200
-Fuel set up $1000
-etc..............

You need around $25,000 !!!

Fernando @ CFT


Modified by tunedbycft at 9:41 AM 9/6/2007

 

I think you may be able to run a 9.9 once or twice, depending on if you included the price of safety equipment (cage) or not. Also, depending on if you counted getting parts used / second hand (used CF hood is way cheaper)

I think most of this board is more interested in running the number 5 times an event for 3-5 events.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Slapshotnerd &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think you may be able to run a 9.9 once or twice, depending on if you included the price of safety equipment (cage) or not. Also, depending on if you counted getting parts used / second hand (used CF hood is way cheaper)

I think most of this board is more interested in running the number 5 times an event for 3-5 events.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I am def. using this in a "what if scenario" and I am leaving the framework up to your thoughts on that

 

It's possible with a free chassis, if you do all the work yourself and use used parts. The reality of it is that it's not going to happen, and it definitely won't happen more than once. Building a 9 sec car is one thing, building a 9 sec car that doesn't break every pass is a COMPLETELY different ballgame.

 

I would say no in sfwd trim. But if its a run what you brung ordeal. I say theres a possibility if you are skilled "jack of all trades" kinda person. Def would be interesting to do or see...

 

I've been 10.4 with way under 10k but that was with alot of really good deals on used parts. I know the car could have gone 4 tenths faster with more boost but the stock sleeve'd motor did not hold up long enough to find out. Then again, sleeved motor, bigger turbo, and more boost this year and I still only go 10.4

 

i wish

 

tony hit the nail on the head. my 35r combo that went 10.0 didnt have anywhere near 10k in it......as long as you dont factor in my time, chassis i had for years, doing all my own fabrication, cage etc.

i dont even want to talk money with the new set up lol

 

Not possible IMO. There is a lot to the 9 second SFWD equation. 10 grand for 10's is still tough.

Rough estimates:
Car - $Free (lets go tony1's route)
Fuel System - $1000+
Turbo System - $2000+
Engine - $2000+ (that's sleeves, rods, piston, vavletrain)
Wheels & Slicks - $1300+
10 Pt Cage - $2000+
EMS+Electronics - $2000+
Clutch - $$$
4-5 trannys - $$$$

That doesn't cover tuning, suspension, safety equipment, and any touchy things like a seat, gauges, and hole in the hood for your turbo . Do you also add a trailor too? Since it won't be driven to the track. ny have tens of thousands invested, more power than s need to do it, and still haven't gotten there.

9's isn't that easy to bottle it up with a price tag. Many have done so much and are right there on the cusp... ask Artubo.





Modified by Bserious at 9:44 AM 9/6/2007

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's possible with a free chassis, if you do all the work yourself and use used parts. The reality of it is that it's not going to happen, and it definitely won't happen more than once. Building a 9 sec car is one thing, building a 9 sec car that doesn't break every pass is a COMPLETELY different ballgame.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Agreed 100% ..

I would also be assuming a free car or under $500 beater as well

 

Not going to happen. If it only took $10,000. We'd all have 3-4 cars that did 9s, which means that there would have been 100s of 9 sec cars already. haha.

If it was that easy, you'd see Sfwd with 50 cars in every race.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ExospeedAMcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not going to happen. If it only took $10,000. We'd all have 3-4 cars that did 9s, which means that there would have been 100s of 9 sec cars already. haha.

If it was that easy, you'd see Sfwd with 50 cars in every race. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Never said it would be easy or that it had be done.. was just hypothesizing if the that specific goal could be meet..

 

lets not forget there are TONS of cars in the class already that have 9 second horsepower......but arnt even knocking on 9 second time slips.

 

in sfwd trim it'd be close. It could be done if you know the right people and the work is done in house with used parts

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Building a 9 sec car is one thing, building a 9 sec car that doesn't break every pass is a COMPLETELY different ballgame.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I second that...

****...even with a FREE chassis thats NHRA legal with all the safety equipment... 9 seconds for $10,000 in a HONDA would almost be impossible even doing all the work yourself.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tom@yoparts.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Never said it would be easy or that it had be done.. was just hypothesizing if the that specific goal could be meet.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

What's your limit or hypothesizing? With free stuff, sponsors, and a lot of hard work and skill you could build a Hot Rod Honda to run 7's.

 

Im gonna have to echo everyone else here to a point. I "think" it can be done with used parts and one hell of a driver. However for it to last, no chance. You can crack one or maybe 2 runs out of it but thats it

 

A 9sec 10k car can definitly be done, Cunha(Godfatherofboost) from CLM has done it time and time again...

A 9sec 10k SFWD trim car,Not a chance,unless you own a shop,have a bunch of parts laying around and do your own in house tuning.

my 02.

 

when we were building turbo regals, we had it broken down to 10 secs,

stock car = 100$ a .10 to like 13 secs. then 150$ a .10 from there. 12 secs 200$ a .10, to the 11's then it was like 3-400$ a .10 to the 10's then it just compounded there. he hee. not including the cost of my car, or y labor to work on it, it was 2500 to get it to run 11's. this was back when you needed a bar to run 11.99 and faster. if i were just a consumer, it would have been 4000.

my car last year
3000 for the cage, net, pan, and nhra cert
3000+- for the turbo kit
1200 for the clutch
600 for slicks and skinnies
1200 for wheels
1000 for injectors and fuel system
i tuned it myself, built it myself, and thats running an engine i had from 3 years before and i bested a 10.72.
no axles, no dumb stuff, no boost control, no ems, this is stuff i already had.
whats above is what i got last year. oh yeah 150 for carbon syncros and 800 for a diff. 200 scattershield, 300 for a fluidampr
list goes on and on.

if it were just a car then it is poss, but for a sfwd car i dont htink it is.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Aggressive Racing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A 9sec 10k car can definitly be done, Cunha(Godfatherofboost) from CLM has done it time and time again...

A 9sec 10k SFWD trim car,Not a chance,unless you own a shop,have a bunch of parts laying around and do your own in house tuning.

my 02.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Cool .. so lets not include labor and tuning.. as we will assume that will be handled inhouse or by one-self ...

It would be a great challenge though

 

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Cool .. so lets not include labor and tuning.. as we will assume that will be handled inhouse or by one-self ...

It would be a great challenge though </TD></TR></TABLE>

So where are you going with this,are you gonna sponsor a buildoff showdown,now that would be cool...

 

If you took the price of the car out yes. Like everyone said you would had to do a lot of work on your own **** we spent more than that and the car still hasn't broke 9.99 but runs consistant 10.08, 10.07s and of the such.

 

I think Tom is trying to put together a step by step "Build a SFWD 9 Second car package" for $10,000 including a step by step instruction sheet.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo-charged &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lets not forget there are TONS of cars in the class already that have 9 second horsepower......but arnt even knocking on 9 second time slips.</TD></TR></TABLE>

True that...We've always had the power. Just couldn't figure out what it took to go 9's until recently. It's more than what money can buy....it's experience!!!