i make about $16 an hour and we have a team system in our paintshop and 3 guys normally turn about 210+hours. im just curious to know how much some guys are making in the industry

 

you should make 40-60...Which means you should get 40% and the shop should get the 60%.Most car shops are up to $38-$39 an hr.We do fleet and its $65hr going up to $68 soon

Oh and i turn close to 100hrs weekly


Modified by Bigblockhatch at 1:06 AM 9/6/2007

 

my shop charges $48/hour but i get $16 of that.

 

Do each of you painters get a different percentage based on experience? $16 is low for $48/hr.

 

this is the way it works, we got a painter he gets 45% of the hours at $16/hr and tehn we got 2 preppers and they get 25% of the hours at $16 hour. the extra 5% goes toward paying an apprentice. im curious to know how much people make in other places.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b20powereDA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this is the way it works, we got a painter he gets 45% of the hours at $16/hr and tehn we got 2 preppers and they get 25% of the hours at $16 hour. the extra 5% goes toward paying an apprentice. im curious to know how much people make in other places. </TD></TR></TABLE>That is a fucked up way to do hrs......So if the paint turns 100hrs a week he only gets paid for 45 at $16hr...I would never work for that..He should get 100% of the hrs turn at about 40% of what the shop charges.

 

First off all of you need to fully understand the complete business and its expenses. This is a very expensive business to run. I expect my paint team to produce a minimum of 200%. This means if the team clocks in an hour gross they produce 2 hours gross. A giid team produces 300%. So if I have a lead painter and he employees thre helpers, not including polishersand they all clock in 100 hours they need to produce a minimum of 200 units of work. But I must say I expect high quality. I will not accept anything but the best quality of workmamship. If you think you produce high quality prep and paint finish while also producing hours you should come tour our facility.

 

im a bodyman and have been running about 70hr weeks.

 

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the way it works is we have 3 guys in the paint shop. painter get 45% of the hours at $16/hr and 2 preppers get 25% of the hours at $16/hr. therefore if the paint shop turns 100 hours then the painter only get 45 hours at $16/hr which would be $720. but if we were to only turn 100 hours in a week then everyone would quit. on a normal week we turn at least 200 hours. therefore, in a 200 hour week the painter will recieve 90 hours at $16/hr. therefore he would make 1440. while the 2 preppers would make 50 hours at $16/hr which would be $800 for the week. u get what im saying. how much do most painters and preppers make? i havent been doing this for a super long time so i dont know what alot of people in the industry make.

 

^^ thats low. I'm a tech and get 43% of the total labor, as do the painters. A good painter here in baltimore should be no lower than 150hrs per week. When the labor rates go up every one sees a raise. Right now the rate for paint and body is $38/hr.

I average around 125-150 hrs per week.

 

WTF?!?! thats insane. well its ok. im looking for a new job anyways. im sick of the business already. they never want to give us spplements for **** thats gotta be done. it sucks ***. so do u get 43% of the total body labor? so say there is $3000 of body labor u would make $1290? is that how it works for u?

 

I see what your saying.But i dont like depending on someone else to make my hrs or money.If i turn 100hrs in a 40 hr week im not given the shop 55hrs of the work to be paid 45 thats crazy.Your making the shop a killing and they are raping you for turn good hrs.On a side note.Most Rv's,school buses and rigs that we paint have around 30-60hrs paint time.So once the body guys are done with final prime.You can beat those hrs to death easy.Doing 5-8 of those a week makes for a happy boss

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by L Monty Body Shop &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First off all of you need to fully understand the complete business and its expenses. This is a very expensive business to run. I expect my paint team to produce a minimum of 200%. This means if the team clocks in an hour gross they produce 2 hours gross. A giid team produces 300%. So if I have a lead painter and he employees thre helpers, not including polishersand they all clock in 100 hours they need to produce a minimum of 200 units of work. But I must say I expect high quality. I will not accept anything but the best quality of workmamship. If you think you produce high quality prep and paint finish while also producing hours you should come tour our facility.

</TD></TR></TABLE>Im never on the clock more than 40-45hrs a week and i usually turn 100hrs a week.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b20powereDA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WTF?!?! thats insane. well its ok. im looking for a new job anyways. im sick of the business already. they never want to give us spplements for **** thats gotta be done. it sucks ***. so do u get 43% of the total body labor? so say there is $3000 of body labor u would make $1290? is that how it works for u?</TD></TR></TABLE>

You got it

 

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You got it </TD></TR></TABLE>

WOW!!!


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bigblockhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I see what your saying.But i dont like depending on someone else to make my hrs or money.If i turn 100hrs in a 40 hr week im not given the shop 55hrs of the work to be paid 45 thats crazy.Your making the shop a killing and they are raping you for turn good hrs.On a side note.Most Rv's,school buses and rigs that we paint have around 30-60hrs paint time.So once the body guys are done with final prime.You can beat those hrs to death easy.Doing 5-8 of those a week makes for a happy boss</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea good thing is, im bout to start looking for a new job. do most bodymen at youll's shops do the priming or does the paint shop?

we have to prime it and block it. all the bodymen do is the actual repair then send it to us and we got to prime it, block it, sand, tape paint, buff, color sand, etc

 

The bodymen should always put it under FINAL PRIME....They should have already primed it blocked it to make sure they didnt miss anything then reprime for the painter to finish

 

I'm not a tech anymore I work as an estimator at a Dodge/Kia dealership, but our labor rate for body and paint is $43.00/hour and paint materials is $24.00/hour. Our body technicians usually put out 65-75 hours/week and out painter like 80-100 hours/week. Not a very big shop, we have 3 body techs, 1 painter, 1 prepper, 1 clean up.

 

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talking to u guys makes me realize that we are getting PHUCKED!!!! hopefully ill have a new job within a week though

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bigblockhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The bodymen should always put it under FINAL PRIME....They should have already primed it blocked it to make sure they didnt miss anything then reprime for the painter to finish</TD></TR></TABLE>

Most shops, especially larger production shops don't have the bodyman prime his own work. As long as it's straight, free of pin hole and scratches, it's ready for the paint shop. Painters have a cake walk as it is, they don't need it any easier.

 

i agree with sc4dr, expletive the bitch *** painters

 

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Most shops, especially larger production shops don't have the bodyman prime his own work. As long as it's straight, free of pin hole and scratches, it's ready for the paint shop. Painters have a cake walk as it is, they don't need it any easier. </TD></TR></TABLE>

SSSSSHHHHHIIIITTTTT!!!! yea right. yea we do alot of work and the bodymen dont prime but it always is full of pinholes and scratches though

 

Well bub, you got some hack *** bodymen your painting for. Painters get to stay in the paint shop the whole time. Body men do all the dirty work, like chasing down writers and parts guys, not to mention delivering all the bumpers etc. to the painters. A good painter should be in the booth, and his helper moving them through. When the cars done baking, pull in another, tack it, spray it.....its a CAKE WALK.

For any of you painters out there that might be offended, don't get your pantys in a bunch, it's a great talent to be able to color match, and get the desired "factory finish" needed to satisfy customers.

 

yea at our shop its a completely different story from what u r describing. apparently i need to come work with you. most of the time we get a car in the paint shop still has pinholes, needs to be blocked some more, needs to be primed, or sometimes even still has a dent or two. it sucks. and they rarely ever finish their work with anything higher than 180 if im lucky. most of the time it 80 grit. so i gotta feather scratches as well then prime

 

Sounds to me like you need to train your tech's a little better to let them know what you expect. If there work is poor send it back until they get it right.

My body tech's(3 total) average 60-100 hrs a week and the painters(2 total and a prepper) average around 200 and up depending on the jobs of course. I'm the shop manager and my wallet is a lot thinner than there's, and I'm the one that has to take all the heat. I've about had it with this industry though(7 years exp.). I'm so sick of customers trying to get everything for free.....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 05 600RR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">. I'm so sick of customers trying to get everything for free.....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Isn't that the truth. And like you said, send the repair back to the bodyman if it is rough. It should be finished off in 180 or finer with no pinholes, scratches, dents etc. If i'm doing a large dark panel, I'll have a helper prime, then I'll guide coat it, block, and take care of any pinholes that pop through.