Ok there hasn't been a lot of tech talk in the ITR forum recently and I can't decide what to do suspension wise based off what I've read so heres what I posted in the suspenion forum with no luck....

I want to upgrade the suspension on my R starting the spring after I get done my motor build over the winter. I have search and inquired about what to do, but honestly its waay to much info for me to organize in my head. I hear alot of good things about Teins and Koni full coilovers.
What I want out of the car....good handling, for street and track, being able to lower it and raise it however I want (lower to get waived on emissions testing haha). I know some kind of Teins come with like a little computer thing in the car to automatically adjust the springs? Is this crap or good quality?

Also, what about LCA's? or other suspenions mods I should do while I'm kinda going all out. Money wise...lets say I was spending $3500 on parts, I can do the work myself. Also, with your suggestion, do I need a camber kit? or will just a alignment work for the upgrade? Sorry for being dumb, just really can't find solid information that everyone agrees on.

Come on suspension guys...I know your in here

 

Moton 3-way!

 

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Nuff said...

PM C4S...

 

Yeah, really looking forward to being a "novice" at the next ITR Expo.

May even drive this time!

 

Cool you're going.

 

But back to the original question(s)

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I don't think so unless they're "airbags", since it probably only adjusts shock damping/stiffness.

If you want to lower it for the purpose of waiving emissions just get some stock springs and cut a few of the coils off, and then re-install them!

Other than that call Scott at King Motorsports and he'll advise you on what might fit your budget and needs.

http://www.kingmotorsports.com...at=44

I really liked my first set of Buddy Clubs with 12K front and 14K rear spring rates. FWIW


Modified by C4S at 10:32 PM 8/31/2007

 

great. thanks for the info guys. Ill keep looking into stuff but when it comes time to adjust the suspension ill contact king motor sports

 

believe it or not, stock ITR suspension is pretty solid. if you really do intend to drive the car on a track (and not just in a straight line down northern parkway) you should probably wait until youve got a few weekends under your belt before you even think about upgrading. take erik95ls for example, still on stock suspension and can probably roll over half of the drivers using high dollar parts.

so i guess you need to ask yourself WHY you want to upgrade?

if you want the car to handle well "on the street" then dont bother wasting your money, honda has already given you a great suspension setup. same goes for the track. even if you have fancy parts, they wont help you unless you know how to drive

or do you just want to make your car "look" tight? because if you just want to stunt in glen burnie, then i'm sure something like omni power would be perfect for you.


moreover, i think that once you actually get your car out onto a track you will be very humbled. you will probably realize that dyno numbers and expensive "JDM" 1009112-way adjustable suspension dont really do much for you when you are a n00b.




Modified by JOHN WAYNE at 1:34 AM 9/2/2007

 

moton

 

I agree with John Wayne.

I'm not sure what kind of mods you've done to your car, but if your sig is indicative of it being 100% stock, then I would definitely change the stock couch of a seat and get rid of the bus-like steering wheel first.

Sit as low as you can and that alone will allow the car to better communicate with you

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JOHN WAYNE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">believe it or not, stock ITR suspension is pretty solid. if you really do intend to drive the car on a track (and not just in a straight line down northern parkway) you should probably wait until youve got a few weekends under your belt before you even think about upgrading. take erik95ls for example, still on stock suspension and can probably roll over half of the drivers using high dollar parts.

so i guess you need to ask yourself WHY you want to upgrade?

if you want the car to handle well "on the street" then dont bother wasting your money, honda has already given you a great suspension setup. same goes for the track. even if you have fancy parts, they wont help you unless you know how to drive

or do you just want to make your car "look" tight? because if you just want to stunt in glen burnie, then i'm sure something like omni power would be perfect for you.


moreover, i think that once you actually get your car out onto a track you will be very humbled. you will probably realize that dyno numbers and expensive "JDM" 1009112-way adjustable suspension dont really do much for you when you are a n00b.


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haha first off I just gotta say, dont hang in glenburnie or that crowd and def don't go to northern parkway and beat on my car. I actually have had about 5 tracks days in other peoples cars under my belt, and handled it very well with suspensions similiar to what a stock ITR would feel like.

I don't care what the car looks like...all my friends with fancy V8's think I'm nuts for not fixing every little scratch in the paint. I put my time and money into performance, so I want to get something that will perform but not be absolutely crazy hard on the streets like the car is falling apart over a sewer cap. Other R owners with more experience than me have driven with me before and noted that I handled the car very well, better than was expected for limited tracking....so I honestly think I could handle a upgrade in suspension. Not trying to "toot" my own horn or anything, I just would like the option to adjust stiffness for various set ups. I honestly am installing all new motor mounts soon while the motors pulled....any particular brand you all advise?

As for moton what makes them above the rest?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RagingAngel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree with John Wayne.

I'm not sure what kind of mods you've done to your car, but if your sig is indicative of it being 100% stock, then I would definitely change the stock couch of a seat and get rid of the bus-like steering wheel first.

Sit as low as you can and that alone will allow the car to better communicate with you </TD></TR></TABLE>


Its not stock haha, 218 whp 146 ftlbs on 1.8 liter block, custom jenvey ITB's etc. I kinda like the seats actually lol, but was thinking about some brides in the near future and a removable steering wheel...havent looked into what brand or quality though yet.

 

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I actually have had about 5 tracks days in other peoples cars under my belt, and handled it very well with suspensions similiar to what a stock ITR would feel like.
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I am gonna need you to elaborate on this before i could give you my honest opinion.

What track/s? What car/s? What suspension/s?

 

Do a search for Ground Control and/or Konis. Probably the best setup for the price, and you can taylor them to your needs.

 

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I am gonna need you to elaborate on this before i could give you my honest opinion.

What track/s? What car/s? What suspension/s?</TD></TR></TABLE>

x2

so basically youve never had the R on a track?

 

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I agree on this one. I hate the DC2 steering wheel due to it's size.

I haven't measured yet but I could swear that even my IS has a smaller diameter.

S2000 steering wheel

 

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x2

so basically youve never had the R on a track?</TD></TR></TABLE>

haha ok I hit VIR two times with a 96 GSR with Tein flex suspension with IHE vafc , a auto-x locally to me...so three times lol. But no, the R itself has never been at the track with me. To be honest, its just something I really want to do, but I will certainly wait until the spring when I get the R to the track....I finally start my real job so I will have the money to blow on some track time with the R before I go nuts with upgrading the suspension. I started this thread hoping to learn a little more about what all entails upgrading the suspension/camber?/spring rates front and rear? what brand is best and for what reason? toe and camber? I tried research the last few months on it, but can't find solid facts on whats what and why is it....if that makes any sense.

But while we are on this subject...what do you guys think about the Rota Slipstream Wheels on a PY R? I am not selling my gunmetals, but most the guys I see with upgraded suspensions also have 16" rims. I happened to see these wheels and thought they looked fairly nice on the R.

 

Zeal

 

stock ITR &gt; 96 GSR with Tein "funk master" flex suspension with IHE vafc.....anyday of the week!

I've been running stock suspension now with over 85K miles. (7 years of track time) You really need to do yourself a favor and get it on track first. Then you can pick and choose what you think needs to be improved..... and you will probably come up with nothing.

-Victor

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97 TYPE-R 312 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">stock ITR &gt; 96 GSR with Tein "funk master" flex suspension with IHE vafc.....anyday of the week!

I've been running stock suspension now with over 85K miles. (7 years of track time) You really need to do yourself a favor and get it on track first. Then you can pick and choose what you think needs to be improved..... and you will probably come up with nothing.

-Victor</TD></TR></TABLE>


100% agreed

 

while the R is gifted with amazing agility from the factory, that doesn't mean it cannot be improved upon.

It's ensuring that any changes do not affect this balance by magnifying faults. Otherwise, you would see pro-teams racing on nothing but the stock suspension

But I agree, for the average enthusiast, it's likely that not many of us can find the limits of the stock setup....

I stand by my recommendations though. Death to the bus wheel and to the girl spec seats (originally found on the Style-S Integra in Japan)

 

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But...but... I <u>like</u> the bus steering wheel.

 

Damn George.

 

I'm in agreement with everyone who has said to keep the suspension stock.

My experience is going through four different types of coil overs, both high end and low end. Guess what I ended up returning too? OEM. I felt that because the R was a DD, that I wasn't benefiting from a stiff coilover setup. Maybe I'm getting old. Maybe I have sand in my vagina. The OEM suspension is killer.

 

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How's that feelin' for ya?


&lt;-----Spoon N1 user checking in

 

Mugen N1 user checking in


as much as the advice above about staying stock is true, i had OEM suspension for a year then upgraded.


i enjoyed the OEM setup, it was very good, however RA is correct on many levels.

it isn't just finding the ULT1MATE L1M1T!!!!111 of a suspension setup before you can change and still get better results.

once i changed the suspension, had it corner weighted and a geometry setup from a company that preps race cars, OMG. it FELT so much better.

turn in was sharper, stability was better, it was more controllable, felt more balanced, and it was easier to achieve the same thing than with an OEM setup.


so, in conclusion. i may not be achieving the N1's capabilities (even though on track an E30 M3 race car couldn't lose me), it is SO MUCH MORE FUN to drive now. that makes it worth it all in itself