I was just wondering if someone could give me some advantages of swaping a b18 in in stead of a b16, because everyone says the b18 is so much better but as far as i can see the b6 is cheaper, lighter, has more parts for it, and is eaiser to intsall. i have a 94 del sol with the d15manual. Also which would get me around 250 hp as a daily driver with no boost the eaisiest? any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

if you want to go n/a a b16 or a b18 would be a bad choice.

You need at least a b20.

If not that then an h22 or a k20a2

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tpep13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was just wondering if someone could give me some advantages of swaping a b18 in in stead of a b16, because everyone says the b18 is so much better but as far as i can see the b6 is cheaper, lighter, has more parts for it, and is eaiser to intsall. i have a 94 del sol with the d15manual. Also which would get me around 250 hp as a daily driver with no boost the eaisiest? any advice would be greatly appreciated. </TD></TR></TABLE>

get a b18a1 or b18b1 and build the **** out of it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tpep13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was just wondering if someone could give me some advantages of swaping a b18 in in stead of a b16, because everyone says the b18 is so much better but as far as i can see the b6 is cheaper, lighter, has more parts for it, and is eaiser to intsall. i have a 94 del sol with the d15manual. Also which would get me around 250 hp as a daily driver with no boost the eaisiest? any advice would be greatly appreciated. </TD></TR></TABLE>

research, this has the makings of a flame thread.


cliffs: its easier to make more power out of a bigger engine. 250 NA HP out of a b series??? you better have an *** load of money.

 

i was also thinking about the vortec bolt on supercharger, if 250 horse is out of the question without all new guts in it. alhough a b18 with basic bolt ons could prob. get around 200hp don't you think?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tpep13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i was also thinking about the vortec bolt on supercharger, if 250 horse is out of the question without all new guts in it. alhough a b18 with basic bolt ons could prob. get around 200hp don't you think?</TD></TR></TABLE>

ha!

 

seriously look in other threads and see how much power people are making with basic bolt ons youre lucky if you dyno 160 at the wheel

 

C'mon man set me strait.... im 17 years old just tell me what is realistic.....

 

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NO BOOST? trying to hit 200 @ whp? gonna cost you more in the long run. A good "bang for your $" suggestion is B18 LS motor, JDM ITR headers, run 2.5" piping, for low boost turbo. NO other MAJOR work is needed in this set up.

 

i already told you 160 is realistic, with a b18 and even i dont believe that. seriously. i was 17 when i started readin on here too. just get whatever you can on a budget i would get a b18 nonvtec and be happy with the streetability , then piece together a turbo kit and make some good power by the time you are 20

 

then get a d16z6 and turbo it.

Or be like those other guys that want to do some stupid *** turbo k20 build in their eg.

they buy a block and a turbo, then sell everything because they can't afford it.

turbo d16z6 for you = reasonable setup that can give you good power.

 

you can get close to or slightly above 200whp with a bit of comression, headwork, cams, as well as a good intake mani, and header/exhaust...if you rev the **** out of it you will break 200whp lol.

 

get what you can afford to get. preferably a 1.8L if u happen to pick up a b18b cool build it up and ull see more horsepower. if u pick up a b18c1 even better, if u pick up a b18c5 your gonna be absolutely fine hitting atleast 200 with boltons. im at 216whp with a b18c5 motor with full boltons and a set of cams. i could have gotten even more out of it but i chose to detune it because of reliability and longevity of the motor.

250whp out of an all motor setup is incredibly expensive. your going to have to build everything and you wont get that out of a b16 and still use pump gas. if u want 250whp ur looking a some kind of forced induction. 200whp is an easy goal for a b18 motor.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drtysohc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can get close to or slightly above 200whp with a bit of comression, headwork, cams, as well as a good intake mani, and header/exhaust...if you rev the **** out of it you will break 200whp lol.</TD></TR></TABLE>


yeah and all that costs $$$

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drtysohc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can get close to or slightly above 200whp with a bit of comression, headwork, cams and lots of rpm as well as a good intake mani, and header/exhaust.</TD></TR></TABLE>

With all that work, gonna costs as much if not more than slapping on a mild turbo kit with low boost. NO internals needed. Besides the turbo itself, next costly item is the HDM ITR headers (new for about $400. if you get lucky 'n find someone selling theirs used for under $300)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cartune network &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">. 200whp is an easy goal for a b18 motor. </TD></TR></TABLE>

its easy if you have the money and time to spend on it.


jesus , just do what you can, instead of spending it on a car save your money for a down payment on a house, youll have plenty of it by the time youre 21

 

Like Bense said... D16Z6-T and you can make 200whp safely on stock internals. Or you can pick up a B18b1 and turbo that. I would do either of the two before spending 2.5-3k on a B16... NFT (no f@cking thanks).

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cartune network &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">get what you can afford to get. preferably a 1.8L if u happen to pick up a b18b cool build it up and ull see more horsepower. if u pick up a b18c1 even better, if u pick up a b18c5 your gonna be absolutely fine hitting atleast 200 with boltons. im at 216whp with a b18c5 motor with full boltons and a set of cams. i could have gotten even more out of it but i chose to detune it because of reliability and longevity of the motor.

250whp out of an all motor setup is incredibly expensive. your going to have to build everything and you wont get that out of a b16 and still use pump gas. if u want 250whp ur looking a some kind of forced induction. 200whp is an easy goal for a b18 motor. </TD></TR></TABLE> I bought my swap with ctr pistons, ported head, CTR cams, skunk2 valvetrain and some other goodies for $2k and it was on a 4k mile rebuild, with all of the reciepts from the shop that built it...deals are out there.

 

Thanks, i just wanted to know ill check out some other threads, and figurein it out. sorry for being a dumb teenager lol, but why would you go non-vtec b18? just cause its cheaper?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tpep13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks, i just wanted to know ill check out some other threads, and figurein it out. sorry for being a dumb teenager lol, but why would you go non-vtec b18? just cause its cheaper?</TD></TR></TABLE> unless you're boosting it I would do an LS-VTEC. LS-T's are ok, but adding a better flowing VTEC head (b16 esp.) always helps the situation.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tpep13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks, i just wanted to know ill check out some other threads, and figurein it out. sorry for being a dumb teenager lol, but why would you go non-vtec b18? just cause its cheaper?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly, in almost every aspect of a build. More work, more $$ on vtec vs. non-vtec.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drtysohc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> unless you're boosting it I would do an LS-VTEC. LS-T's are ok, but adding a better flowing VTEC head (b16 esp.) always helps the situation.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'd go ls yes cuz its cheaper. i have a gsr engine and its not that great, then again it just has an exhaust...


my friend has an b20 vtec, another with an ls turbo. less money and more power out of the ls-t and its been going 70k and still hass good compression numbers

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xKiD26x &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Exactly, in almost every aspect of a build. More work, more $$ on vtec vs. non-vtec.</TD></TR></TABLE> It should be stressed though that if you can afford to do an LS-VTEC, the extra money is worth it.

 

It's gonna cost you an ITR swap to get that B16 over 200hp at the wheels.

Go with an H22a or F20B swap if you wanna make power all motor.

My suggestion for good power?
Get a B18B1 and turbo it - you can make about 260-270whp safely at the wheels on stock internals w/o endangering anything (as long as you're on a good tune).

EDIT:
Ah, I missed the last part of your question.

You're looking for 250whp all motor the easiest?

H22 w/ a B series transmission (H2B) and trying to raise the compression is your best bet.

Making it with a 4cyl is gonna be a pain in the *** w/o dropping an assload.

 

b18b because it's bullet proof.

Vtec Shmetec. More bottom end power with non-vtec cams. Not to mention with a head job you can make crazy power. Oil pickup is an issue though in bigger applications.

Cheapest setup for you is doing to be taking what motor you have, and turbo it.