i have a question for you guys........why is it that the type R transmission drives so nice and mechanically smooth...........but sometimes it goes retarded and takes some jiggleing and back to neutrals in order to get it in gear..........it does this not very often but sometimes..........what causes this?

 

good question

 

That is a good a question, but it also happens in all Integras and Civics that I've driven.

 

ya....all the civics and integras i've driven do the same thing........just wondering why.......sometimes.......when the car is cold.......reverse is terrible.......3rd...4th.....5th....4th...reverse

 

I thought my tranny was fucked up, but i guess its Type R thing? Good, now i don'e feel so bad. **** feels bangin one day and the next day it feels like ****, like the ****** things gets mood swings.......

**** rides like a beast when its hot out.......maybe its just me though....

nick


[Modified by BeastyITR, 3:59 AM 6/14/2002]

 

Mine is moody as all hell to....she gets angry when I go slow

 

I guess they must always be in "Gear ripping" motion to function properly

Nick

 

In type-R's it is the LSD..other tranny's i driven with lsd ie..rx7, mr2, supra tt, have the same problem..especially when first starting up the car..notice on the first couple of turns when the car starts up you will hear the lsd whine which means its warming up in a sense...also notice that when approaching to a stop you just cant put it in 1st..you have to wait until 2-5 mph before the tranny will let you smoothly..so don't sweat it until you have grinding noises ..also lsd equiped tranny's are more sensative so take good car of it by using Honda MTF

 

It's all about rev matching. If the revs are correct for that gear you want, it goes in smoothly. When the revs are not matched, it takes time for the synchros to do their job and it won't go into that gear until the revs are matched.....
This happens especially during downshifting....

 

That "whining" sound, does that sound similar to like an arial/electric motor in action or something? Because when i start the car and begin to drive it within a minute or so later i hear an odd sound, at first i thought it was the arial but it's not.. i only hear it just alittle while after i start the car.

As for my gearbox if i slap her into reverse a second after i've started the car (with the clutch pedal all the way in mind you) it will always grind. I have to wait acouple of seconds to put her in reverse smoothly. Basically this seems to be the same amount of time it takes for the revs to climb up when you start the engine...(it happens very quick) i hope this is normal.

As for the everyday driving i really can't say if it's any good or not since i've only had experience driving two manual transmission cars in my life. But it's most certainly "different", the characteristic of it makes it easy for me to (sometimes) forget what gear i'm in especially since the car will pull even when you're in 2 gears higher than you should be. (compared to my daily beater)

When other people drive my car they notice the same thing, everybody who has driven my car has at least once had confusion with whats going on with the gearbox. It's definately short, but i would'nt call it smooth.. but maybe it's cause my gearbox is still kinda new, and i never EVER use the gears to slow down the car.

In the end, it still find it alot easier to drive my daily beater (a 94 ford laser) than the integra.. the pedals are really stiff in the ITR and its MUCH harder to feather them.. the gearbox is tight but very quick, second most worst feature would have to be the firm steering wheel.. but the absolute worst would have to be the lack of vision for your blind spot, in a low seat with a higher rear end, and for a lil shorty like me

 

DutchITR is right. Matching RPMs helps get the tranny into gear easier.

As for the situation where the tranny does not want to go into first while slowing down...I would imagine Honda designed the tranny to not allow you to jam it into first while still traveling at a decent rate of speed. This will help to prevent assclowns from over revving their motors from not knowing how to drive But, assclowns will always find another way to destroy their motor/tranny and blame it on Honda and get if fixed under warranty.

I have owned a lot of Hondas and they occasionally require a little effort to get them into first gear while at a stop. All you need to do is depress the clutch a little and it slips right in.

Overall, Honda designs excellent transmissions Synchros tend to be the weak links in the B-series transmissions. But synchros are a wear item (right D? )

-kenji

 

That's normal. It's just the gearbox and the LSD.
That's also normal. The reverse doesn't have synchros, so when you step on the clutch the gears are still rotating a slowly and when you put it in reverse it will grind. If you wait 2 seconds the gears have stopped rotating.

I don't have any problems with the ITR gearbox. I think it's perfect. It reacts exactly how I expect it to react. If you know how the gearbox works exactly, you'll understand why it resists and grinds when you do certain things. You'll "feel" it coming (resistance and grinding).

 

This is normal and it happens with all kinds of manual gearboxes. The first gear synchros have to work the hardest because of the rev difference between the primary and the secondary shaft in the gearbox.

If the car is still rolling slowly and you really want it in it's first gear, just double clutch = put it in neutral, release clutch pedal, rev the engine to 3000 rpm and immediately press the clutch and put it in the first gear. That should go in smmmmoothly...

 

Might be the hydraulic clutch being retarded. Next times it happens, instead of pushing in the clutch, stirring the soup like a witch on crack, just pump the pedal a couple of times. You just need to build up the pressure a little bit.

My last GTi would do this all the time and I keep the clutch hydrolic system tip top and it would still do it. Come to a light, wouldn't go into first, pump the clutch and it would ssslllliiiiiddddeeee right in

 

What he said...

Will
-who loves his 'box'.... and does not abuse it

 

The ITR being the only manual tranny car i have ever owned, I think it is finicky. I have problems every now and then with getting in to first, and i always grind at top of 2nd in to 3rd (synchro problem I am sure). However, it is a race car, so i expect this out of it. I agree with what Willard quoted above; everything that happens is pretty predictable though.

 

you guys are making the wait sound SO worth it , ah the whine of an LSD trans in the morning
where the hell is my flywheel , I want this trans in NOW

 

Yup.

 

While we're on the subject of syncros... anyone know how much a new set is.. and how hard the install is?

I'm getting a grind from the 1 - 2 gear shift, and it bothers the hell out of me. I think when I take the tranny off to do my TODA flywheel/clutch... I'm gonna crack the casing open and replace the syncros... any info on them?

- Louis

 

I have a problem with reverse when I first start the car...I usually have to go into another gear or two before reverse will mesh and not grind. As far as sound....with the AST F.D. and Toda Flywheel my tranny always whines....loud....especially when you take your foot off the throttle.....sounds kind of like my friends 4.11 gears in his 5L mustang. I gotta admit that I love the sound though.