Well, currently I have a 97 DC2 GSR that I'm putting together. I recently had it painted and I have the suspension done. I have Buddy Club RS dampers on it. My motor is currently stock with 104,000 miles on it. I have always been an N/A fan, but I recently took a ride in a boosted Integra that left with a boost itch. Problem is that I would like to go road racing next year and from what I have heard, if I boost my motor it my blow. If I boost it, I plan on running stock internals as i don't plan to run more than 280 whp.

The other problem is that this my daily driver and will occasionally be doing some track events. So far, some people with experience in road racing have told me that if I go boost, my motor will probably blow and that I will not learn anything about road racing as I will constantly be trying to control the car on the car on the track....is this true?

So my questions are....is it safe to boost an internally stock B18C1 with the power I'm looking for and keep it as a daily driver and occasional track car? If I boost my car, will that hurt me for my first track event? Should I just stick to N/A as i was planning before?

Please help as I plan to start buying parts for my motor in mid September and will like to have clear idea of what i should do.

Thanx

 

If you plan on taking your car to the track

DONT SPEND ANY MONEY FOR MODS ON THE CAR!!!!!!!!!


let me say that again

DONT SPEND ANY MONEY FOR MODS ON THE CAR!!!!!!!!!


This is where you should focus your hard earned money

1 Helmet
2.) Entry Fees
3.) Maintainence (Fuel, Oil, Brakes and Tires)

if you really want to start "Road Racing" you need to look the organiziation with which you want to race, look at the their rules, look at the racing division, and see what is required and what the rules are.

If you are just looking to take your car to track and drive it,,, you will have PLENTY of fun driving it the way it is. It will be LONG time before you need to start modifying your car to go faster.
There are a few good books out there, and a BUNCH of threads about HPDE.
Do yourself a favor and start reading up'

As far as reliability... Yes there are people how do run boosted cars at the track.

Yes they have blown up

There are also people who have run N/A engines that have blown up too.




Modified by Crazydave at 1:43 PM 8/24/2007

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Crazydave &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you plan on taking your car to the track

DONT SPEND ANY MONEY FOR MODS ON THE CAR!!!!!!!!!


let me say that again

DONT SPEND ANY MONEY FOR MODS ON THE CAR!!!!!!!!!


This is where you should focus your hard earned money

1 Helmet
2.) Entry Fees
3.) Maintainence (Fuel, Oil, Brakes and Tires)

if you really want to start "Road Racing" you need to look the organiziation with which you want to race, look at the their rules, look at the racing division, and see what is required and what the rules are.

If you are just looking to take your car to track and drive it,,, you will have PLENTY of fun driving it the way it is. It will be LONG time before you need to start modifying your car to go faster.
There are a few good books out there, and a BUNCH of threads about HPDE.
Do yourself a favor and start reading up'

As far as reliability... Yes there are people how do run boosted cars at the track.

Yes they have blown up

There are also people who have run N/A engines that have blown up too.


Modified by Crazydave at 1:43 PM 8/24/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>


Well said sir

As one who does HPDEs on a regular basis ( NASA AZ regional ) AND one who has been boosted and NA, I would say focus on learning to drive first!!!!!!!!!!!!

Once you have maxed out the cars current potential, as in your lap times stop dropping, then start modding the car. I would stick to suspension and brakes first.
Then once you have maxed out that...add DOT R compound tires.

Save the power for last!

My DB8 started out NA...then I went Boosted ( Vortech SC ) and while great, I was too focused on power..... Over the last year I have been NA again and I spent it working improving my driving skills and my cars set up. Honestly.....I am having WAAAAAYYYY MORE FUN passing all the idiots in the "insert faster car here" with my whopping 165whp NA Honda than when it was making 285whp boosted.

Its sooooooo nice to get the point by from a "insert faster car here", because it makes them wonder why they are getting passed.......

I run in group 3 BTW

 

Thanx guys. I have never tried road racing but I went to an event with a local shop around here and it was fun watching all these cars running the circuit as opposed to the regular drag racing. i wanna get into it so i guess I might as well hold off on building the motor and get my driving skills up......I was at a local car show yesterday and I have to admit, the boosted cars outnumbered the N/A cars by like 3:1....seems like everyone is doing boost....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1JDMDOMINICAN &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was at a local car show yesterday and I have to admit, the boosted cars outnumbered the N/A cars by like 3:1....seems like everyone is doing boost....</TD></TR></TABLE>

At a NASA event you'd be lucky to find ONE boosted Honda.

If you're serious about HPDE or Road Racing with your DC2, stay away from the turbo. It doesn't fit well into the more popular classes and won't do a thing to help your drivng. Reliability may or may not get worse, but it certainly will not improve. If on the other hand if wowing the cruise night crowd with your blinging turbo is more important, I'm sure there are some folks on the forced induction forum (https://honda-tech.com/zeroforum/16) who can help.

This is not a topic we spend much time on over here...

 

the guys are all right you should work on your skills first and that will take a LOT of seat time. figure at least 2-3 years even if you track once every month or every other month.

as for boosted Honda's. Honda are very well balanced machines (in SO many aspects). Handling, brakes, performance/cost... etc. Even in all motor setups (most common) a good driver can turn in some pretty impressive lap times.

in the USA there hasn't been too many turbo rr/ax Honda's. in Japan the Top Fuel turbo Honda's do set some pretty good Time Attack times.

 

Just to offer some perspective, I've done 2 HPDE's and 130 HP is sill a bit much for me. If I were you, I'd sink some of that power money into brakes. Power gets you into trouble, brakes get you out.

 

prepped cars (sorta) + race tires + professional racing drivers + turbo Honda = <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by parislohan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">in Japan the Top Fuel turbo Honda's do set some pretty good Time Attack times.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Search 2005/2006 posts by me... I road raced a 1998 ITR with boost, from HPDE to Honda Challenge Unlimited class. I broke a LOT of things, went through consumables super quick ($150 a weekend just for brake pads) and couldn't keep tires under the front of the thing.

I spent a Ton of money on that turbo pig and ended up selling it for less than 10K.

I'm having a lot more fun (and going faster) N/A now.

-Chris

 

fwiw, i'm doing a turbo honda for rr/ta use. we're looking at using the bad a$$ evo9 turbo with b16a. should be a quick spooling little sucker... 300 whp ish? we'll see how well it works.

 

Mine worked ok this weekend, but it definitely took some screwing around and breaking stuff to get it right. Make sure whoever tunes it knows you're going to stand on it for 20 minutes. Forget how much power it makes.... back off the timing so it runs safely. Dont get crazy with the boost either.... its a handful pull out of a corner with the boost ramping up. I run 6.5 psi (~185 HP/155 TQ) on the track, its more than enough to have some fun and the car stays on the ground. Upgrade everything cooling related.... radiator, oil cooler, the works. Make sure the thing is sound. I dont know about running a stock internal motor. I built mine (still stock sleeved, but forged pistons and rods, SS valves, etc...) before I took it out.

And do take all of these guys' advice.... put your money into learning how to drive it before you start sinking money into the car itself.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boilermaker1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">back off the timing so it runs safely. Dont get crazy with the boost either.... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Don't get retarded retarded, your EGT's will go way up and you'll start cracking exhaust manifolds and burning bearings in the turbo. Run an EGT. 1800F is too high. 1650F is probably too high.

-Chris

 

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Don't get retarded retarded, your EGT's will go way up and you'll start cracking exhaust manifolds and burning bearings in the turbo. Run an EGT. 1800F is too high. 1650F is probably too high.

-Chris</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well granted there's some common sense involved... What I'm saying is pull 1 or 2 degrees out.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boilermaker1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What I'm saying is pull 1 or 2 degrees out.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ah ha. I'm saying "don't do it!" It's a bad idea unless you really love working on cars, even more than actually driving them on a track.

-Chris

 

Stay away from the boosted engines at least for now. Have you looked into how much it costs to replace a GSR engine? It's not cheap. Trust us, you'll have a blast wheither driving a lower HP car like mine (110 HP), a mid HP car like your (stock), or a higher HP car. There are also many people including myself who advocate learning with a lower HP car.