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Old Aug 22, 2007 | 11:48 AM
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i recently bought a supercharger for a friend of mine, but it didnt come with the jackson racing fuel regulator. i found several regulators on ebay but i dont know if they are the same thing. like this one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...h=013

is it the same thing? any help would be great thanks
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Old Aug 22, 2007 | 11:50 AM
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just as long as it meets jackson racings setup standards for that supercharger it should be fine... or your could get the jackson racing one from a dealer. what motor is it going on??
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Old Aug 22, 2007 | 11:51 AM
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its going on a civic 99 coupe w/ a gsr engine. but does that one meet the requirements? thanks
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Old Aug 22, 2007 | 11:53 AM
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like i say you will have to look at the supercharger specs and it should say which regulator you need. look at it and compare it to the one on ebay. superchargers on small displacement engines isnt a huge gain....you may be dissappointed.
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Old Aug 22, 2007 | 12:00 PM
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yeah well its not for me. its for a friend of mine im going turbo with my gsr
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Old Aug 22, 2007 | 12:03 PM
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yea good idea on the turbo but SC look up wont kill your engine as fast. just look up specs on that regulator though.
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Old Aug 22, 2007 | 12:24 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93egB16A &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea good idea on the turbo but SC look up wont kill your engine as fast. just look up specs on that regulator though.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I wouldn't trust anybody that spews BS like this.

There are lots of people that used various FMUs with the JR kit. Search around for recommendations or buy one directly from JR.
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Old Aug 22, 2007 | 12:30 PM
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how the hell am i spewing BS??? just alot pissed right now.
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Old Aug 22, 2007 | 12:54 PM
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so what do you recomend then
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Old Aug 22, 2007 | 01:07 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ma_rio44 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i recently bought a supercharger for a friend of mine, but it didnt come with the jackson racing fuel regulator. i found several regulators on ebay but i dont know if they are the same thing. like this one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...h=013

is it the same thing? any help would be great thanks </TD></TR></TABLE>

id look around on here: http://www.supercharger.com/Home.aspx
or just give them a call 805-681-3410 ask for keith
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Old Aug 22, 2007 | 01:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by t0p_sh0tta &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wouldn't trust anybody that spews BS like this.</TD></TR></TABLE>

x2... responses from that guy are just crap, in this thread and all the others.

to the OP: I'd say look up the specs of the Vortech FPR and see at what rate it increases the fuel pressure per pound of boost. I believe the JR unit adds 1-2 PSI fuel pressure per PSI of boost that the manifold sees. It's likely the Vortech one does the same rate but it would be good to confirm that. Essentially both are the same if the rates are the same.
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Old Aug 22, 2007 | 07:47 PM
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how about avoid an fmu altogether and get real engine management
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Old Aug 23, 2007 | 01:30 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doood &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how about avoid an fmu altogether and get real engine management</TD></TR></TABLE>

that makes sense if you're looking to really push the motor, but often its more economical to just alter the fuel delivery if you're running low boost. not to say this is the safest method, even at a lower boost level, but paying $1000-1500 for management and a tune for 5-6 psi... bah, it can definitely become overkill. especially because the stock jrsc kit comes with a pressure switch, the upgrade includes the map controller, and the "extreme" stage 2 upgrade only starts getting into standalone management with hondata.
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 03:02 PM
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or could just get a apexi neo?
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 03:04 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ekBlackHatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">or could just get a apexi neo?</TD></TR></TABLE>



Why not just use Crome. It's free, and easy to use.
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 03:06 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">



Why not just use Crome. It's free, and easy to use. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 03:17 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 01_CLtypeS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

id look around on here: http://www.supercharger.com/Home.aspx
or just give them a call 805-681-3410 ask for keith </TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93egB16A &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea good idea on the turbo but SC look up wont kill your engine as fast. just look up specs on that regulator though.</TD></TR></TABLE>
im spewing BS cause i have an opinion huh? wow.... be real.
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 07:35 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93egB16A &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
im spewing BS cause i have an opinion huh? wow.... be real. </TD></TR></TABLE>

your opinion is bs. if anything, a supercharger will put more strain on an engine.
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 10:06 PM
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more strain then what a turbo or na or bottle fed? im realy curious cause im bout to SC my R
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 10:07 PM
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where do i find how to use it and where do i get Free crome i thought you had to chip your ecu or somthing to use it?
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 04:33 AM
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Anything that adds parasitic drag (superchargers) causes strain on your engine.

make sense?

Turbo's are "free" energy. The only thing you really have to worry about are high oil temps and detonation.

SC you have the parasitic drag, high temps, detonation, boost through all rpms, (imo bad for gears in our little cars)
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 08:17 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SC you have the parasitic drag, high temps, detonation, boost through all rpms, (imo bad for gears in our little cars)</TD></TR></TABLE>

high temps will come with any forced induction.

detonation will come with any poorly tuned forced induction application.

boost through all rpms is not true. roots style has a bypass valve for lesser throttle and centrifugal designs have spool time like a turbo.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 09:13 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Blk00EJ8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

high temps will come with any forced induction.

detonation will come with any poorly tuned forced induction application.

boost through all rpms is not true. roots style has a bypass valve for lesser throttle and centrifugal designs have spool time like a turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm well aware of the fact that either FI setup causes High temps. I even said so.

Detonation will come at the limits of the motor/compression also. You can only retard the timing so much.

Correct, it does depend on the setup. but most SC's I've seen are the centrifugal kind and old. The bypass thing is fairly new and not adapted into all the typical JR kits. It's handy and innovative, though it makes the kits much more expensive than they already are.

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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 10:11 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I'm well aware of the fact that either FI setup causes High temps. I even said so.

Detonation will come at the limits of the motor/compression also. You can only retard the timing so much.

Correct, it does depend on the setup. but most SC's I've seen are the centrifugal kind and old. The bypass thing is fairly new and not adapted into all the typical JR kits. It's handy and innovative, though it makes the kits much more expensive than they already are.

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i was under the impression SC was easier on engines because of past knowledge with muscle cars. i was obviously wrong and I'm here to LEARN and was voicing what i had been told from before. Muscle car engines take SC and it isnt as hard as a turbo would be. muscle cars dont take yhe sudden rise in boost a turbo puts on them like a honda. My dad builts big and small blocks for a living and gave me this info... my bad its different for a honda but dont jump on my *** like that... people look for a reason to be a smart *** on here when someone has a legitimate mess up... grow up people. EKGUY thanks for explaining... you seem to have a good way to not get on ppl's asses.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 10:15 AM
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Been around as long as I have and have as many points docked as I have for the reasons that I have.

And you learn quick you attract more bees with honey than vinegar.

Nice is always better. Though it's still hard not to bash someone that's completely ignorant and unwilling to learn.
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