Mugen Twin Loop opinions please (pretty pleeese!!)
Ok I just found out from my supplier that Apexi is no longer making the RS exhaust I have on order. To make up for it I've been offered the Mugen twin loop for a reasonable price of $1700 (~US$970).
This is an "Australian" supplier so please dont tell me I'm being ripped off (I already know I am!), or that I can get it cheaper at <insert name> Racing in Kentucky or something (because shipping will kill me).
Unfortunately I do not have the luxury of time to look through 100+ exhaust posts.
I've already spent a **** load on a crap sounding exhaust and $1700 is a lot to pay - I do NOT want to get it wrong this time.
I'd like to ask several very specific questions about the exhaust ... please answer them if you can.
I'm primarily after a quiet exhaust that does not drone or intrude into the cabin too much ... I've been burnt before!! I know that it does not flow as well as an N1 or spoon or whatever but I have minimal mods and my cars primarily used for daily driving.
Most importantly what does it sound like?
Does it have a puttery or airy sound?
Does it drone inside the cabin?
Will it give me headache after 10 mins of driving?
Is it quiet enough to hear the intake?
Does it fit well (or am I likely to need it modified to fit)?
Thanks to anyone that can help ... and thanks to anyway to anyone that cant.
Mike
This is an "Australian" supplier so please dont tell me I'm being ripped off (I already know I am!), or that I can get it cheaper at <insert name> Racing in Kentucky or something (because shipping will kill me).
Unfortunately I do not have the luxury of time to look through 100+ exhaust posts.
I've already spent a **** load on a crap sounding exhaust and $1700 is a lot to pay - I do NOT want to get it wrong this time.
I'd like to ask several very specific questions about the exhaust ... please answer them if you can.
I'm primarily after a quiet exhaust that does not drone or intrude into the cabin too much ... I've been burnt before!! I know that it does not flow as well as an N1 or spoon or whatever but I have minimal mods and my cars primarily used for daily driving.
Most importantly what does it sound like?
Does it have a puttery or airy sound?
Does it drone inside the cabin?
Will it give me headache after 10 mins of driving?
Is it quiet enough to hear the intake?
Does it fit well (or am I likely to need it modified to fit)?
Thanks to anyone that can help ... and thanks to anyway to anyone that cant.
Mike
You will be happy with the Mugen Twin Loop - It's probably the best (noise, quality, "power") of all the mass-produced exhausts.
To answer:
Mellow, throaty... but not raspy or "tinny". It made the hairs on my neck stand endwise when I heard it at 6000-8400 on the dyno.
More "airy" - it doesn't "putt".
A bit... but in a Type R, the lack of sound deadening is more the culprit. There is an odd resonance at 1300 rpm or so...
Not at all.
If you have an AEM or similar, yes.
Like a glove.

To answer:
Mellow, throaty... but not raspy or "tinny". It made the hairs on my neck stand endwise when I heard it at 6000-8400 on the dyno.
More "airy" - it doesn't "putt".
A bit... but in a Type R, the lack of sound deadening is more the culprit. There is an odd resonance at 1300 rpm or so...
Not at all.
If you have an AEM or similar, yes.
Like a glove.

SMSP has his exhaust on special right now. Full catback with NO bottlenecks (Mugen still has some), and it's only ~$650.
Sound is just as quiet as the mugen I think. Sounds great, stockish look.
Check this out:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=203281
and an audio clip (in a closed room with the dyno whining in the background)
http://vertigo.weirdness.net/~wwang/...er-exhaust.mpg
Very nice catback
Sound is just as quiet as the mugen I think. Sounds great, stockish look.
Check this out:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=203281
and an audio clip (in a closed room with the dyno whining in the background)
http://vertigo.weirdness.net/~wwang/...er-exhaust.mpg
Very nice catback
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SMSP has his exhaust on special right now. Full catback with NO bottlenecks (Mugen still has some), and it's only ~$650.
Sound is just as quiet as the mugen I think. Sounds great, stockish look.
Check this out:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=203281
and an audio clip (in a closed room with the dyno whining in the background)
http://vertigo.weirdness.net/~wwang/...er-exhaust.mpg
Very nice catback
Sound is just as quiet as the mugen I think. Sounds great, stockish look.
Check this out:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=203281
and an audio clip (in a closed room with the dyno whining in the background)
http://vertigo.weirdness.net/~wwang/...er-exhaust.mpg
Very nice catback
i got the chance to drive/hear a itr w/ Twin Loop Cat-back w/ test pipe and jdm itr 4-1 header. When my friend took it for a spin..my impression was that it sounded almost like a motorcycle at WOT. I love it..
I'd recommend the Mugen Twinloop over anything else. I have the Apex'i N1 right now, and it is way too loud... I'll be switching to Mugen soon I think.
I think I'd go crazy with the spoon exhaust in my daily driver. Loud is an understatement.
I/H/E with mugen twin loop is not that quiet IMHO (louder than stock), but still alot quieter than Stock ITR with Spoon N1 axle back.
I/H/E with mugen twin loop is not that quiet IMHO (louder than stock), but still alot quieter than Stock ITR with Spoon N1 axle back.
you sure you wont' want a Spoon exhaust instead?
Not many people think about this factor but the Mugen Twin-Loop is one heavy system.
I use to have it myself and eventually got rid of it ...because of that reason.
I use to have it myself and eventually got rid of it ...because of that reason.
You will love the sound, both in quality and quanity.
Heres some clips of mine:
http://www.worldfx.com/jetydosa/mugen_exhaust1.wav
http://www.worldfx.com/jetydosa/mugen_exhaust2.wav
http://www.worldfx.com/jetydosa/mugen_insidecar.wav
Heres some clips of mine:
http://www.worldfx.com/jetydosa/mugen_exhaust1.wav
http://www.worldfx.com/jetydosa/mugen_exhaust2.wav
http://www.worldfx.com/jetydosa/mugen_insidecar.wav
Great ... most posts seem very positive!
Does anyone know how much the system weighs in comparison to stock?
Also, someone suggested I may have problems mating with the cat (hehehe ... minds out of the gutter guys!!!
) ... is this likely?
Mike
Does anyone know how much the system weighs in comparison to stock?
Also, someone suggested I may have problems mating with the cat (hehehe ... minds out of the gutter guys!!!
) ... is this likely?Mike
Length of the cat may be different depending on whether you get a system for the VtiR or the ITR
ITR bpipe is shorter than VtiR so you'll have to lengthen either bpipe or cat
If you get the VtiR version then you're fine
ITR bpipe is shorter than VtiR so you'll have to lengthen either bpipe or cat
If you get the VtiR version then you're fine
Great ... most posts seem very positive!
Does anyone know how much the system weighs in comparison to stock?
Does anyone know how much the system weighs in comparison to stock?
Weight = about the same as stock. The is a little more than stock... b/c of the extra piping.
Will
whatever but I have minimal mods and my cars primarily used for daily driving.
Most importantly what does it sound like?
Does it have a puttery or airy sound?
Does it drone inside the cabin?
Will it give me headache after 10 mins of driving?
Is it quiet enough to hear the intake?
Does it fit well (or am I likely to need it modified to fit)?
Thanks to anyone that can help ... and thanks to anyway to anyone that cant.
Mike
Most importantly what does it sound like?
Does it have a puttery or airy sound?
Does it drone inside the cabin?
Will it give me headache after 10 mins of driving?
Is it quiet enough to hear the intake?
Does it fit well (or am I likely to need it modified to fit)?
Thanks to anyone that can help ... and thanks to anyway to anyone that cant.
Mike
Just a thought.......
Good luck
Yes ... had I known all the troubles I would've had from the start I would've stayed stock!! I just wanted a bit more performance (not much necessarily), a nice sound and nice look. I've spent AUS$1000 so far and have got none of these
Have you tried to find a ITR owner (who has replaced his exhaust with after market) and tried to buy the stock ITR system?
I know the connection to the cat will have to be modified... but it is worth a try..
-better flow
-quiet
-OEM fittment
I know the connection to the cat will have to be modified... but it is worth a try..
-better flow
-quiet
-OEM fittment
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shi - whose been driving around w/ two exhaust systems on/in his car this week 

