i just starting my molding holes today on my teg.I used fiberglass jelly does any one know if this is okay.it seems to have bonded well all byitself but will it crack later on? what did u HT members do to fill in your molding holes?

 

i welded my molding holes and grinded it down, and then put bondo, then primer and then putty and then painted it. welding and grinding takes a long time.

 

i heard welding can warp the metal ..but what i did by fiberglassing is that okay u think?

 

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where the fack did you hear that?!

how do u think u put on a new body panel, superglue?

 

metal does warp when it gets to hot.
but if your doing just molding holes your fine man!

 

the metal did warp a little when i welded it, and it was very hard to grind it down without taking any of the body line out. it was real wavy and the car had to be blocked several times. i saw on muscle car tv, they used a blow torch and i think it was tin or copper, some low melting point metal, and they basically soldered the holes shut, it looked pretty easy and clean.

 

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where the fack did you hear that?!

how do u think u put on a new body panel, superglue?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually, yes. We use glue here when putting body panels on. We use it on door skins, quarter panels, rear body panels, roof skins etc... We use a metal on metal bonding glue, and tack weld the panels in a few spots.

 

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Actually, yes. We use glue here when putting body panels on. We use it on door skins, quarter panels, rear body panels, roof skins etc... We use a metal on metal bonding glue, and tack weld the panels in a few spots.</TD></TR></TABLE>
^^ thats not superglue, and yeah we USED to use that stuff, but its junk, now we weld and we do it right

 

so do you think i should be alright by fiberglassing them ? or should i go back and weldthem because the fiberglass will eventually crack?

 

just weld them, ul be better off in the long run

 

I welded all of my molding holes. We put pieces of metal behind the holes and welded from the front. Then grinded down all the excess (sp?) metal and used Rage Extreme body filler to even it all out. I'll post some pix in the next couple days to give you an idea.

 

This is after just starting the welding and grinding



First layer of body filler laid down


Primered


Sealed, painted, cleared

 

looks good and thanks for the pics

 

you can fiberglass it....you got to grind the inside or sand with low grit. they lay the fiberglass sheets inside the door. then grind the front then use bondo.

no it will not crack.

 

Weld it!
1) Fiberglass will crack due to vibration of driving and opening and closing your door. You cannot mate the front and back side of the fiberglass seeing as the front needs to be sanded down flush with the door panel.
2) If the metal is stressed (get a dent, or just pushing against the metal) the fiberglass will not flex along with the surrounding metal causing it to crack.

If you dont want to fill them again, and repaint your car. Do it right and weld it. It honestly is not hard. Low heat, metal backing, and pulse it.

 

[QUOTE=nix94delsol]
^^ thats not superglue, and yeah we USED to use that stuff, but its junk, now we weld and we do it right

yes you can use metal bonding glue, if used properly and the right brand (fuzor), is not junk, is stronger than welding on the panel, less time consuming, and is more corrosion resistant than welding. now this is not saying welding is not the correct way but metal bonding is a good alternative. on a side not you can fill molding holes in doors, quarters, fenders by grinding the back side of the hole to be filled, cutting a small piece of sheet metal larger than the hole to be filled, grinding the sheet metal on the side facing the hole, applying metal glue to the piece, and sticking it to the back of the hole with some 2" tape overnight. this is a good way to fill holes without warping the panel. you have to undercoat the back when finished.

 

the metal did warp a little when i welded it, and it was very hard to grind it down without taking any of the body line out. it was real wavy and the car had to be blocked several times. i saw on muscle car tv, they used a blow torch and i think it was tin or copper, some low melting point metal, and they basically soldered the holes shut, it looked pretty easy and clean.

anybody try this?? using a low melting point metal??

 

They probably used lead. Lead is the best other than using sheet metal and doing it right. You just have to know how to work with it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by speedworks &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">[QUOTE=nix94delsol]yes you can use metal bonding glue, if used properly and the right brand (fuzor), is not junk, is stronger than welding on the panel, less time consuming, and is more corrosion resistant than welding. now this is not saying welding is not the correct way but metal bonding is a good alternative. on a side not you can fill molding holes in doors, quarters, fenders by grinding the back side of the hole to be filled, cutting a small piece of sheet metal larger than the hole to be filled, grinding the sheet metal on the side facing the hole, applying metal glue to the piece, and sticking it to the back of the hole with some 2" tape overnight. this is a good way to fill holes without warping the panel. you have to undercoat the back when finished. </TD></TR></TABLE>

speedworks is absolutely correct, metal bonding agents are very strong if used right. We used lord fuser on a quarter panel of a Chevy Cobalt a few months back, the car was just recently rolled and took a lot of damage to the same quarter that we "glued" on and there was no seperation at the seams at all. So yes you can "glue" panels on, we do it all the time here.

As for this comment "^^ thats not superglue, and yeah we USED to use that stuff, but its junk, now we weld and we do it right". I'm fully aware it's not called "super glue", and it is a correct method and an alternative to welding the whole panel on. If it wasn't a correct method it wouldn't be on the market nor would it be accepted by insurance companies. Also you don't use only the bonding agent when putting the new panel on, you also tack weld the panel.

 

i dont know if you have already done this but a lot of people welded a piece of metal on the inside of the door and then applied fiberglass and whatnot on the outside, the metal pieces on the inside are supposed to keep moisture out and makes the whole removal of the side moldings more solid.hope this is useful.-chris3k

 

hey so im gettin a jdm front and i want to take the side molding off, but my body work man says that when he goes to weld the pieces on it is going to warp the metal and it might mess the entire door up is this true, and if it is what should i do and how should i do it

 

wrong!! warping the metal will be because they are welding at to high of a temp and running beads. i welded every hole on one of my projects.. put metal behind each hole and weld a little at a time, more than a tack weld less than a bead.. fill in the pit with more welding then grind, then glass it. i used evercoat and weld with no gas but it came out rreallly good

 

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hope i was able to help ya

 

Weld with a low heat with gas. Keeps the weld cleaner. You can do it without but you get alot of spatter. All you wanna do is make taks all the way around. You don't want to run a bead. Infact work on 2 at a time so that you can switch from one spot to another to keep the metal from getting too hot in one spot and warping.
And you can not use lead on these cars. The factory metal is paper thin. You drop lead on it and all it will do is make a big warp on the door.

 

Looks pearl-ish.