The TSI Turbo Kit Comes standard with TSI's proprietary fuel system, which includes a TSI interface block with 2 additional fuel injectors and controller unit (black box). The controller unit is adjustable, displays boost pressure, and has an integrated turbo timer. The settings are all pre-programmed to work right out of the box.

I can have this removed from the kit for $400.... I can run on stock injectors for the time being correct???

Like i said to Rob over the phone I am just trying to get the car boosted and running for Tunerfest. After tunerfest I will upgrade the Fuel Management and EMS. I also plan on running a Tuned Stock ECU until Tunerfest is over.

If i can get away without having TSIs fuel system that would be great... please let me know! thank you!!


This is the Kit....

Garrett GT25 turbo w/ internal wastegate set to 6 PSI.
Cast manifold that comes preassembled on Garrett turbo.
Down pipe and gasket.
Polished charge piping.
High-flow intercooler.
Stainless steel braided oil line and fittings.
Stainless steel braided water lines for turbo cooling.
Blow off valve.
Comes standard with TSI's proprietary fuel system, which includes a TSI interface block with 2 additional fuel injectors and controller unit (black box). The controller unit is adjustable, displays boost pressure, and has an integrated turbo timer. The settings are all pre-programmed to work right out of the box. A good dyno tune can still yield some additional horsepower though.
Rising rate fuel pressure regulator (not included or needed on 7th Gen Civics).
Heat shield.
High-performance air intake and filter.
Oil return hose and oil pan fitting.
All hardware, pressure lines, hoses, clamps, and couplers.

 

You're going to need a fuel return line, one way or another. My understanding from the TSI kit, is that you want to remove their way of having a fuel return line.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The fuel pressure regulator and fuel pump are combined to a single unit located in the fuel tank. This means that they aren't easily upgraded. Let me explain a returnable system first. A returnable fuel system pumps out a certain pressure. The fuel is brought to the fuel rail and the injectors allow what volume and pressure is needed based on the signal from the MAF or MAP sensor. The unused fuel is sent back to the tank through a return line. So, the extra fuel makes it to the rail and is readily available for the taking. A returnless fuel system pumps a constant pressure and is adjusted by the fuel pressure regulator only to allow what is needed. So a small amount of fuel reaches the fuel rail and it all gets used. In order to get the fuel needed to maintain a proper air-fuel mixture, there are a few things we could do. We could convert the system to a returnable fuel system which is expensive and time consuming. It will require a stand-alone fuel management system too. The most common and economical way of taking care of the fuel is to get a "piggyback"� fuel manager like the GReddy E-manage, Haltech F5, Motec, etc. to intercept the signals from the various sensors and up the fuel delivery, and add the control of extra injectors if need be. The fuel injectors atomize the fuel and that optimum atomization is variable and depends mainly on the fuel pressure entering the injector and the time for which the injector opens. The ECU varies the fuel pressure and the injector pulse width (time for which it opens) based on the MAP sensor. Better atomization means a more complete burn of the fuel for more power and fuel economy and reduced emissions.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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what happened to the swap?

 

according to the other thread he thinks the eingine is stolen or something cuz the guy wont give up a vin #

 

almost sure the motor was stolen... The guy wouldnt give me a VIN or Actual photo of the motor

 

so it seems i should just stick w/ their Fuel system. I am getting the entire kit without the Turbo because i already have a T25 from a 300zx that I will use. They are taking $500 off the kit to do that. Was hoping i could run stock injectors and Stock fuel system for a month until I upgrade the Turbo and EMS.... that way i can just do it all at once


Does anyone know if an HKS Manifold will match up w/ the piping on the TSI kit?? i doubt it will but its worth a shot. I have a HKS manifold as well i could use.

 

yes, definetley stick to their fuel system. your car will NOT run right at all without it. Trust me.

 

have it removed for 400 and go get better engine management with rsx-s injectors

 

Thats gonna cost me alot more than $400... i will upgrade everything after the 25th.... i said that a million times lol

I just need to know if its safe to run for 1 month with stock ECU and Stock Fuel system..... N/M im getting the entire kit anyways. I dont wanna take any chances

 

i dont understand why you just cant wait...if your gonna upgrade down the line your taking a $400 hit on that pos tsi fuel system

 

you should be safe with the entire kit.. Depending on what civic you have, there is some mods to consider when installing that take up a lot of time if not ready for em..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by anonnonator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you should be safe with the entire kit.. Depending on what civic you have, there is some mods to consider when installing that take up a lot of time if not ready for em..</TD></TR></TABLE>

how can you even say that? you just blew up your motor cause of that stupid black box...

why cant people do things right...

 

do things right? i did everything to instructions. my NGK plugs worked fine for 2 days, then i put in these denso plugs and then everything whent to ****.

 

wow you totally dont deserve to go turbo.

1. You cannot tune a stock ecu
2. Stock injectors max out at ~3psi
3. TSI Fuel system sucks *****
4. TSI Kit sucks *****
5. You cannot rush a turbo install
6. Along with kit are you going to buy gauges? lol wtf.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by roost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow you totally dont deserve to go turbo.

1. You cannot tune a stock ecu
2. Stock injectors max out at ~3psi
3. TSI Fuel system sucks *****
4. TSI Kit sucks *****
5. You cannot rush a turbo install
6. Along with kit are you going to buy gauges? lol wtf.</TD></TR></TABLE>

K, I'm sorry, I'll shut my mouth, and obviously I learned my lesson.......right?

Now I am going to buy a new engine and have a shop "tune" my turbo kit and ECU. good?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by anonnonator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

K, I'm sorry, I'll shut my mouth, and obviously I learned my lesson.......right?

Now I am going to buy a new engine and have a shop "tune" my turbo kit and ECU. good?</TD></TR></TABLE>

what the hell are you talking about?

 

your still wrong. you cant tune your stock ECU


Modified by Curiouz_G at 6:29 AM 8/14/2007

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Curiouz_G &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your still wrong. you can tune your stock ECU </TD></TR></TABLE>

*shrug*

PNR (or PLR) ecu isn't tunable.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Curiouz_G &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your still wrong. you can tune your stock ECU </TD></TR></TABLE>

I was under the impression that you can't tune our ECU's. Can someone confirm this?

 

i thought Kpro can tune it

 

i meant to say CANT, you still CANT tune your ECU sorry.

 

ok so what about 450cc injectors, Greddy emanage, and walbro fuel pump??? will that work out good??

 

man, I gotta agree with the others, I just got done doing that kit, and you should wait and make sure you have everything in place. Also consider a K swap, much cleaner, and much more reliable.. prolly just a little more money in the end if you get a good deal on the motor (worth it in the long run). after that you can allways upgrade your K.


Modified by anonnonator at 7:10 AM 8/14/2007

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CivicInspired &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i thought Kpro can tune it</TD></TR></TABLE>
K-Pro doesn't use the D17 ECU, it will use the RSX-S PRB.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CivicInspired &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok so what about 450cc injectors, Greddy emanage, and walbro fuel pump??? will that work out good??</TD></TR></TABLE>
450cc = overkill use rsx-s 310cc, they are a straight fit into the fuel rail and all you need are longer mounting bolts. Also with bigger injectors im not sure if Greddy Emanage can handle them..

RSX-S Injectors wont max out until like 10-11psi You'll start to run 95%-100% duty cycle.

Walboro Fuel pump - not needed unless you're building and planning to boost 12psi+ IMO

rsx-s + emanage = done.

 

isnt it best to convert to a return fuel system in which case youd need the walboro pump?