ok so i finally finished the itb's all the way

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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 08:56 PM
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Default ok so i finally finished the itb's all the way

i thought about putting this in the all motor section and drag section but figured it would be best put in the fab section.

i had some time today so i out them on my DD. these will be strictly for my race car BTW. anyways i posted them up here before i thought and now they are finaly done. got the stacks on and everything. i built them using a neon intake manifold, 4 neon throttle bodys and some nuts, bolts, and some tig welding. cut the hole in the hood for the ram air effect while going down the track. i ran them before and there ws quite a difference in throttle response and top end power but now since i rebuilt the engine and put a cam in it along with some minor head work it think i should get just a bit more out of them. anyways heres some pics and a little vid of it idling and revving.what u guys think.
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http://s125.photobucket.com/al...1.flv










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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 09:03 PM
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sounds good. what did you use to tune?
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 09:23 PM
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eh, thats my scrap hood........... my hood that i run daily is leaning up against the wall in one of the pics.

its actually just running on a mopar computer and thats it right now. its pig rich for some reason (at all times not just with the itb's on) better than being to lean i guess. once i get my drag car going it will be getting mega squirt and some sort of wide band to control and tune it. im not big into tuning so when that comes around i will get somebody who knows wht they are doing to do it and ill slowly learn. im gonna take it around the block tonight to see how it runs on the street, i might get a vid of it i really dont know yet. and thanks for the good words guys.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 10:01 PM
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where did you find stacks to match the 49mm/52mm throttle bodies? did you do a bunch of lathe work to the throttle bodies? pics of fab!
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 01:18 AM
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bump for fab pics as well.....

looks good at finished state
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 02:56 AM
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what kind of itb are those
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 05:35 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RTErnie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where did you find stacks to match the 49mm/52mm throttle bodies? did you do a bunch of lathe work to the throttle bodies? pics of fab!</TD></TR></TABLE>

they are......... well they were aluminum transitions that i got from burns. i cut them where i needed them and then radiused the other end. there is no lathe work done, why do u ask that eric? and i dont have any pics of fabbing them but i have a few of them off the car from a while ago.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by qckslvr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what kind of itb are those
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reread my first post, i made them
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 05:46 AM
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heres some.............







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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 06:37 AM
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4 full size neon tb's! they must suck in a lot of air! i'd love to see more detail of the actuator setup for the butterfly valves on the bottom. looks trick.
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 07:16 AM
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you used an INDY intake manifold? lol...finally someone making something worthwhile from that piece.

I thought you would've used a lathe to make a seat for the stack to sit in the throttle body so there would be no "lip" or "step down" once the air entered the TB.

To make it a bit cleaner...pull the three extra throttle shafts...and shorten them so you can put a cover where the old TPS's used to go. That way people dont have to look at your bearing and throttle shaft.

linkage looks great.

no cruise control?

good job Mike.

and let me guess...the two blocks on the bench...one is a 01+ 2.4L and the other is a 95 2.0L?
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 08:17 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by weiRtech &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">4 full size neon tb's! they must suck in a lot of air! i'd love to see more detail of the actuator setup for the butterfly valves on the bottom. looks trick.</TD></TR></TABLE>

everyone has asked about the linkage setup, especially the neon guys. i dont have any pics of that but i can tell u that it uses a common rail to link them all together and the rail is connectoed to the throttle shafts via mini hyme joints. its not complicated at all. took me forever to figure it out though. very similar to the twm style linkage minus the extra rod going to the throttle cam cause mine just runs right off the number throttle body.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RTErnie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you used an INDY intake manifold? lol...finally someone making something worthwhile from that piece.

I thought you would've used a lathe to make a seat for the stack to sit in the throttle body so there would be no "lip" or "step down" once the air entered the TB.

To make it a bit cleaner...pull the three extra throttle shafts...and shorten them so you can put a cover where the old TPS's used to go. That way people dont have to look at your bearing and throttle shaft.

linkage looks great.

no cruise control?

good job Mike.

and let me guess...the two blocks on the bench...one is a 01+ 2.4L and the other is a 95 2.0L?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yep the indys runners are much bigger than the standard single cams and i only had to open them up a bit to get them to match the t-bodys. there is a timy step down becasue the stacks actually sit inside the throttle body (about an 1/8") and are tacked to the outside for right now. i did think about having some pieces machined to fit over the throttle shafts i just never went passed the thinking process for that car never had cruise but im sure it could work if i did. ok im guessing u could see the pcv outlets on the block and being that its shorter than the one to its left u new it was a 95 2.0, about the 2001 2.4 block............ i have no idea how u guessed that. been on the org . latley?


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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 02:37 PM
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I'm banzored from .org...

Deck height is taller on the 2.4L and I knew it was an 01+ because of the orange paint on the block.

95...you guessed it. PCV.

Wait until you see REK III's new manifold. Its pretty sick.
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 02:46 PM
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intake or exhaust? hes building a turbo car isnt he. i have a new desing plenum i wanting to build but i just dont have the time for it........... im hoping it doesnt look like urs so people dont think im copying u. its similar to the current design but it angles the t-body toward the runners and is out away from the head a bit.
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 09:29 PM
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Nah this is a turbo manifold. Divided T4 equal length merge...twin 44mm gates...and here's the kicker...its for a 420a head.

Intake manifolds for neons aren't appreciated. Everyone wants them for 300 bucks. What a waste of my time. Great to make them for yourself...but otherwise...you're better off working at McDonalds.

Don't worry about the whole copy deal. When I started everyone said I was copying BDMS... When there are only two people making the same part I guess one of them had to copy the other one...whatever.
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Old Aug 9, 2007 | 07:38 AM
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thats going to be interesting to see that setup i a neon. beside crawfords car i dont think anybody else has done that. once people see it they are all gonna want to to do, especially the guys that have asked about it in the past. when is that gonna be done?
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Old Aug 9, 2007 | 09:36 AM
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manifold is done...i'll post pictures up today when i get batteries in teh camera. His car is still in the works...should be done and running this winter.
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Old Aug 9, 2007 | 12:49 PM
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ok i got a vid today of in car and a fly by................. i personally think it sounds like a damn subaru. what do u guys think...............


http://s125.photobucket.com/al...4.flv

and one more pic......



and my new welder!

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Old Aug 9, 2007 | 09:57 PM
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nice welder!

I have a syncrowave 200...looking at getting a dynasty 350...but I need to sell my kidney first.
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Old Aug 10, 2007 | 05:42 PM
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i was dead set on getting the dynasty 200dx but when i found out i could get the invertec for cheaper i opted for it instead and love it!
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