I originally made this topic in the Suspension forum, but it moves damn slow so I hope I could get a better response here

I have a 93 hatch that has too much negative camber in the back. I have the washer trick but cant use more because if I put more washers the tire will rub on my already rolled fender.
So I need a LCA that will be a little shorter... There are some on eBay and what not that claim to "fix camber issues" but I need to know for sure.

Any experience with any LCA's that correct negative camber? oh and no I'm not gonna raise the car or get smaller tires ... OR get fender flairs

 

Why not just purchase a rear camber kit instead of the washers?

 

If I bought a rear camber kit it would accomplish the same thing the washers did, make the upper control arm longer. Just with the actual camber kit its more bling and easier to adjust.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95ProjectEJ1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why not just purchase a rear camber kit instead of the washers? </TD></TR></TABLE>

either way he is saying that a camber adjustment at the top is pushing his tire too close to his fender, a camber kit wouldn't be any different

im not sure what shorter lca's would do to your suspension geometry though, so i'll let someone else chime in about that

 

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im not sure what shorter lca's would do to your suspension geometry though, so i'll let someone else chime in about that</TD></TR></TABLE>

I am not aware if it would negatively affect my geometry. I know I would need an alignment of course. But the wheel itself only has like 2 inches on travel, I don't see how a shorter LCA would mess it up that bad

Thanks for putting that out there though.

 

What size rims/tires are you running OP and how big is the drop on your car?

If an actual camber kit or shorter LCA's dont do the trick you are going to limit your options for correction.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95ProjectEJ1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What size rims/tires are you running OP and how big is the drop on your car?

If an actual camber kit or shorter LCA's dont do the trick you are going to limit your options for correction.

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My coupe was pretty damn low and I still was able to use the washer trick with no issues...

 

Are those 16"? I have 15" rota slips w/ kumho 20550 on my EJ6 and they work jut fine. Maybe you consider smaller rims/tires and raising your car a bit. I don't see the point of having your car too low and anything bigger than 15" will affect any power you have on the motor. Camber kit, washer, or any kit will not help solve your problem. You can only drop/lower a car so low that suspension will not going to correct it unless you are willing to a fortune. That is just my opinion though.

 

I like how people see how close they are and assume they are 16's The tires are 205/50-15, which is what I wanted after I like to have traction as much as possible. The drop is like 3" or so I suppose, its damn low. But TX streets aren't so bad and I have another car to drive if I need to go somewhere where I don't know the roads as much so no worries

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Thats the deal, I think with a shorter LCA I will be right at 0'. Thats why I need your help people,

I need to find a good quality Shorter LCA. I only have 2 degrees of camber, but its enough to **** me off because of the tires I'm running.

 

Curious as to how low your drop is?, and just by looking at the picture they don't look like 16's they look like 15's rota by the size of the sidewall and rim size imo.

 

3inch drop is pretty damn low lol.

 

my 93 dx hatch is dropped 3 inch on coilovers and it's sittin on the stock 13's so i used 2 washers per bolt on both sides and my camber is fine.

 

Do you know what your camber currently is on the rear?
I personaly dont have any experiance with the camber adjusting control arms.

Do your tires currently hit the inner fender?

 

my tires hit my inner fender when i turn, how would i fix that? my car isn't even that low, about 5" off the ground. I'm running on 16" Konig Heliums 205/45/16.

 

why dont u just roll your fender some more. i bent the inner black rubber part of mine all the way up. just a suggestion.

 

My dad has a tool that is used to measure camber, according to it, I have about 2 degress of nagative camber.

I cant just roll the fender more because of how the inner fender is made. It doesnt just go straight up, it has a slant to it on the inside, so if i were to roll it some more and put more washers in, it would rub on the top of the inner fender more than it already does.

Now that I think about it, I think its probably closer to a 3.5" drop. Its been this low for like 2 years now, the only difference from then to now is I have azenis tires so negative camber hurts the ol pocket book.

So it looks like everyone just uses the washer trick/upper control arm camber kit...

Bump for anyone that has bought/used a shorter lower control arm.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kuja396 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My dad has a tool that is used to measure camber, according to it, I have about 2 degress of nagative camber.

I cant just roll the fender more because of how the inner fender is made. It doesnt just go straight up, it has a slant to it on the inside, so if i were to roll it some more and put more washers in, it would rub on the top of the inner fender more than it already does.

Now that I think about it, I think its probably closer to a 3.5" drop. Its been this low for like 2 years now, the only difference from then to now is I have azenis tires so negative camber hurts the ol pocket book.

So it looks like everyone just uses the washer trick/upper control arm camber kit...

Bump for anyone that has bought/used a shorter lower control arm.</TD></TR></TABLE>

unfortunately, a "shorter control arm" wouldn't do anything either. if there was a "shorter control arm" it would have the same affects a camber kit will have.
i know you may not want to hear it, but if you want to get rid of your problem, your going to have to raise your car up some. i know it loks nice and all, but over all it's not practical.

 

couple things that you prolly need to know

1. tire rub is normal with that much drop on 15's (esp 205's)
2. If you worried about tire wear you need to have your toe adjusted, not just your camber. i run -2.4 camber in the rear and have perfectly normal tire wear, my toe is -.1
3. you need a real aligment

so if you get an aligment, adjust your toe and your still unhappy. switch your tire size or raise your car

 

ah great, i figured tire rub was a big issue. ;]

 

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my sol is lowered on rotas and gc and konis...i had to pull it up to get both the front and rear into spec...now i have to worry less about bumps and tire wear...party bonus

 

Why don't you roll the fenders completely back, and pull them out a little?

Anywho, I think either way, with the drop that you have, you're gonna have to learn to live with neg camber.

 

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unfortunately, a "shorter control arm" wouldn't do anything either. if there was a "shorter control arm" it would have the same affects a camber kit will have.
i know you may not want to hear it, but if you want to get rid of your problem, your going to have to raise your car up some. i know it loks nice and all, but over all it's not practical.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Here is an example of a lower control arm, like what I'm tring to get input on.. Look at the item description, according to that, that should correct my camber more than it is right now. http://www.autocarparts.com/part/list/1829/
I just dont know by how much. My problem isn't the rubbing, I can deal with that, the problem is the camber. (the rubbing would be an issue if i stacked more washers on the upper control arm)

I understand that if I put on a lower control arm it will accomplish the same thing as the washer trick, but I intend to use both the LCA and the washers. From my thinking, the shorther LCA will pull the bottom of the tire in, and not affect the location of the top of the tire and the fender a whole lot.

I understand its not practical, and thats one reason why I like it. Believe it or not a lot of people would say having 300 whp in the civic isn't practical either, especially without power steering or a/c (I plan on getting the a/c back in )

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by electron_si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">couple things that you prolly need to know

1. tire rub is normal with that much drop on 15's (esp 205's)
2. If you worried about tire wear you need to have your toe adjusted, not just your camber. i run -2.4 camber in the rear and have perfectly normal tire wear, my toe is -.1
3. you need a real aligment

so if you get an aligment, adjust your toe and your still unhappy. switch your tire size or raise your car</TD></TR></TABLE>.

1. I understand, I don't really care lmao.
2. I also understand this. I have a lifetime alignment at Firestone, they all hate the sh*t out of me up there. I guess when they sold me the lifetime package they were REALLY hurting for revenue that month.
3. No seriously, I know enough (I think) to understand the importance of a real alignment, none of that do it yourself stuff, Firestone puts it on thier laser rack, its fun getting it up there hahaha (no front bumper or side skirts)

Also, I've done all of this to my car over about 2 years, I know what is going on, I didn't just buy it lolz.


Modified by kuja396 at 2:14 PM 7/26/2007

 

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Here is an example of a lower control arm, like what I'm tring to get input on.. Look at the item description, according to that, that should correct my camber more than it is right now. http://www.autocarparts.com/part/list/1829/
I just dont know by how much. My problem isn't the rubbing, I can deal with that, the problem is the camber. (the rubbing would be an issue if i stacked more washers on the upper control arm)

I understand that if I put on a lower control arm it will accomplish the same thing as the washer trick, but I intend to use both the LCA and the washers. From my thinking, the shorther LCA will pull the bottom of the tire in, and not affect the location of the top of the tire and the fender a whole lot.

I understand its not practical, and thats one reason why I like it. Believe it or not a lot of people would say having 300 whp in the civic isn't practical either, especially without power steering or a/c (I plan on getting the a/c back in )

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yeah, i wouldn't believe every ad i read neither. i'm pretty sure it'll help in camber, but not by very much. the rear suspension is pretty much stationary (with the exception that it travels up and down only).

if you raise your car up alittle, then get a proper camber kit (not the washers) and a really good alignment you will be fine.

not to mention, if it's the look you get where the tire sits near the fender, raising it up and adjusting the camber will give you that look, or very close to it.

 

so... how much negative camber do you have, anyway? i'm not seeing it in the posts.

i was that low on azenis, didn't have any goofy washers, and my car's tire wear was acceptable. i think those guys at firestone don't know what they're doing; go to an alignment shop that works on racecars.

 

i have blox control arms on my civic right now. sorry man, no help in the camber dept. i compared one on top the other (stock and blox) before i installed and they are the same from bolt hole to bolt hole. i am also at -2 in the rear with the washer trick, and a proper alignment and i have no uneven wear.