Looking to pick up a bike here come fall and not too sure which I want to go with.

Last bike was the CBR1100XX but I moved to the city now and it sucks for a dd having to put up with other people's bullshit on that big bike. Great for the long trips but just not for me anymore. Plus my mom bought an '03 Super Blackbird so I can take that for the long trips.

My bro hit the track a few years ago and I finally got the bug. Figured if I am going to buy one I can make it a 1000 but just not sure if it's really what I want.

Also to add, looking for 05/06. Inverted forks just own me too much

Anyways, go for it.

 

600. more power than anyone really needs in a straight line, more fun in corners, cheaper to buy, cheaper to insure, easier on consumables at the track, and just better.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bad-monkey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">600. more power than anyone really needs in a straight line, more fun in corners, cheaper to buy, cheaper to insure, easier on consumables at the track, and just better.</TD></TR></TABLE>


I disagree with that first statement for on a track and good riders. but to answer the original question - 600rr hands down. Get a used 05/06 already hooked up with some track time on it already. That's kind've what I'm wishing I had done instead of the rc51...

 

The track we have here locally is the tightest track I've ever seen and has the most elevation change in North America Nationals are only three weeks away too!

Concerned mostly about starting out on a 1k but I have heard of a few guys just passing the 600 stage. Why don't you like the RC EngineNo09?

 

600rr for sure

 

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I disagree with that first statement for on a track and good riders. but to answer the original question - 600rr hands down. Get a used 05/06 already hooked up with some track time on it already. That's kind've what I'm wishing I had done instead of the rc51...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, i didn't include guys like Bostrom, Zemke, and Mladin in my characterization of "anyone"

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITS_Dunn &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The track we have here locally is the tightest track I've ever seen and has the most elevation change in North America Nationals are only three weeks away too!

Concerned mostly about starting out on a 1k but I have heard of a few guys just passing the 600 stage. Why don't you like the RC EngineNo09?</TD></TR></TABLE>


I love my rc51 but it really wasn't the smartest once I decided to do trackdays. It's big, expensive to fix if you go down (I did - https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2037493), the seat is wide and it's a difficult bike to get your knee down on (not that it can't be done but a skinnier 600 is just easier), even when I'm faster then guys around the turns it's difficult to fend off any 600 made in the last 8 years going down the straights (this makes it difficult and honestly frustrating in B group where there's lots of guys like this), it also really needs some suspension work stock before you should ever track it. Since mine has been down I think I'm gonna keep it, track it at least a few more times as is and next season maybe find a cheap 600 of some sort to track. I'd like to still get race glass for the rc cause it's a blast on the track but I can learn and improve myself quicker on a smaller more agile 600. Eventually I'd like to get a gsxr 750 but want to be more apt on my track riding ability before doing that.

 

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Well, i didn't include guys like Bostrom, Zemke, and Mladin in my characterization of "anyone"
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I'm talking about guys who are in A group for almost any track org, and club racers running superbike.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EngineNoO9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the seat is wide and it's a difficult bike to get your knee down on</TD></TR></TABLE>

And if you cant get your knee down, you're not going fast, right?

I never had an issue moving around on my RC, or any other bike really.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

And if you cant get your knee down, you're not going fast, right?

I never had an issue moving around on my RC, or any other bike really.</TD></TR></TABLE>

probably. though when an experienced I rider who just got an RC asks me and my friend if we can get our knees down cause he hasn't, then.... Most guys on speedzilla will say it's more difficult cause it is a little wide. Whether that's really an issue for an experienced rider, no. I don't consider myself to be experienced at all after 2 yrs of riding (20,000 street miles), and 2 track days.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EngineNoO9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm talking about guys who are in A group for almost any track org, and club racers running superbike. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Uhh... most club racers run 1000cc classes because they are LESS competative. 600cc is the most competative class with the best riders in ANY club. Even in the AMA, it's a HELL of a lot easier to place well as a privateer in superstock as opposed to supersport.

And "A" group guys who just do trackdays but don't race are even worse. I know some who buy 1000cc just because they aren't fast enough on their 600s to put a big enough gap between them and 1000cc riders and end up getting passed on the straights.

600cc is not a "stage" or a stepping stone to a 1000. If you aren't fast enough on a 600 it is because YOU are not fast enough, not the bike.

 

I'm glad you just assumed that's what I'm talking about. *rolls eyes* I'm talking about the guys who run 600's and 1000's and win in each. Not just some guy who just got into A and decides on that means I can get a 1000. 600 is competitive but also has the biggest talent difference and is just plain old crowded with whoever you're with. 2 starting grids is not healthy.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EngineNoO9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">tell that to the guys who run both and win in both. *rolls eyes* 600 is competitive but also has the biggest talent difference and is just plain old crowded with whoever you're with. 2 starting grids is not healthy.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What does winning in both have to do with anything? If you win 600cc races you are also pretty likely to win 1000cc races. Not so much the other way around. Have you ever ran a race with two starting grids? Lap traffic is not a problem in sprints. And there is a bigger "talen difference" because there is more talent

 

Just as many guys run the superbike races as the 600's and often are the same guys. 2 starting grids at times for those too. If you're already very competitive on a 600 and are faster on a 1000 then I don't see your problem. Plus that isn't even something that's in question. All I'm saying is you don't have to be a racing star to use the power of a 1000. And no I don't race (want to at some point but will wait awhile)


Sheesh all of this cause I said more people then just ama, wsbk, and motogp stars can use a 1000cc's power.


Modified by EngineNoO9 at 9:09 PM 7/25/2007

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EngineNoO9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just as many guys run the superbike races as the 600's. 2 starting grids at times for those too. And often quite a few of the same guys that run 600's.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Then what was your point about crowded 600cc starting grids? And moreover what is your point about running both classes? Some do but MOST don't. And the "most" that don't are a lot faster than the riders who run in 1000cc exclusively.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All I'm saying is you don't have to be a racing star to use the power of a 1000. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Really? Because you have to be a racing star to use all the power of a 600. So you'd assume the same holds true for a 1000.

For example:

WERA A superbike @ cal speedway:

http://mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=585953

AMA supersport @ cal speedway:

http://www.amaproracing.com/pr...=2007

The AMA guys on basically "stock" 600s are running 3 seconds a lap faster than the WERA guys on 1000cc superbikes.

So YES, it takes a pro to use all the "power" of any bike.

 

Let's look back at what I said to see how you're twisting things:



not one mention of using anything to its full potential. let's continue....



still no mention of using it to it's full potential.

mentioning both classes means good riders in 600's run 1000's so it's not like you're running guys who just got a 1000 so they can be competitive. Crowding in the 600 class is a reason lots of guys avoid it even if it is competitive. Extreme lapped traffic with closing speeds of 30+ mph isn't safe...



I still don't see me mentioning anything about full potential STILL. Initial response was still mentioning straight line speed that you get. That still hasn't changed.


so basically I'm just gonna ignore everything you said cause you're pointing out the obvious. Wow ama "stock" (yeah ask anyone who actually runs the superstock races to see how stock they are) pro racers are faster then guys on wera? No ******* way????? Did you hear 2 stroke 125cc and 250cc pro racers are faster then wera 1000cc bikes too???


and just to show my point about not needing to be a pro racer to use the ability of a 1000cc bike. Non pro racer, not using a 1000cc bike to it's full potential on pilot powers....



I think he needs to go back to a 600 to learn how to ride....

jesus christ. All this over something so simple that you've decided to blow out of proportion because of your precious 600's. Noone's arguing that 600's are fast as all hell and using on to it's true full potential isn't gonna happen for the mortal rider. Doesn't mean going to a 750 or a 1000 is a band aid or blasphemy. If you can ride it fast around the track running great times, then I don't think it should matter what you're doing it on


Modified by EngineNoO9 at 9:43 PM 7/25/2007

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Initial response was still mentioning straight line speed that you get. That still hasn't changed. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly. And my point is simply that a 600 in the right hands is faster than a 1000 in the hands of the "guys in the A group" and "club racers".

If you "need" more power in a straight line than a 600cc offers, it is because you need a crutch. You havn't outrode your 600, you underride it. That is all I'm saying and that was the point of posting up lap times.

 

If you can ride it fast and have the right technique, then I don't think it should matter what you're doing it on. /thread

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EngineNoO9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">probably. though when an experienced I rider who just got an RC asks me and my friend if we can get our knees down cause he hasn't, then.... Most guys on speedzilla will say it's more difficult cause it is a little wide.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I lol @ guys at the track more concerned about getting their knee on the tarmac than actually learning technique and going fast. They look so retarded, with their knee stuck all the way out and cant hold a line.

 

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Absolutely. But that is a little bit different than saying that a 600 isn't "enough" for an A group trackday rider or a club level racer, which you did. Just pointing out how ridiculously ignorant that was.

 

of course anyone will say that. Though if it's difficult to get off then yeah it affects how fast you can take turns and you can ride faster

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris y0! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Absolutely. But that is a little bit different than saying that a 600 isn't "enough" for an A group trackday rider or a club level racer, which you did. Just pointing out how ridiculously ignorant that was.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I never said a 600 wasn't "enough." in fact I didn't even use that word until now


poor OP is getting his thread jacked over something stupid

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EngineNoO9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">poor OP is getting his thread jacked over something stupid</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wait, where am I? I thought this was another one of those "should I get a 600 or 1000" threads where stupid discussion would fit right in!

 

he should get the 600rr /end discussion shouldn't even be a second thought about it

 

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probably. though when an experienced I rider who just got an RC asks me and my friend if we can get our knees down cause he hasn't, then.... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Further off topic.... fix your form.



Not me on that RC, but I didnt notice any difference in being able to move off the seat than either of my CBR's.