lately i have been looking for a motor for my 1993 civic hatchback i really want a B-series but my friend said i should stick with the stock motor which is a D-16 because they have alot of potiential but i dont really think they do i need everyones opinion D-series or B-series

 

Every motor in the world has potential, what you need to think about is how much it'll cost to realize that potential. You know what, even before that, you need to decide what your exact goal is for the car then decide on what your options are (and your budget).

 

the only thing u can do to a single cam to keep up with all the b-series is FORCED INDUCTION..

turbo, nos, supercharged, etc

 

Unless its a D16z6 and you are looking to go turbo I would swap it out with a B18b1. The B18b's are cheap and are great for turbo builds. Do some research, find out what your whp (wheel horsepower) goals are and figure how much money you have realistically to drop into this project.

 

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turbo, nos, supercharged, etc</TD></TR></TABLE>

The only thing, huh? LOL! Sure, boost is the easiest way to get big power out of a d series, but saying that is the only way to keep up with a b series, especially if we're talking about a b16, is just retarded.

 

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turbo, nos, supercharged, etc</TD></TR></TABLE>

D15B7 beating B16's........with all OEM parts and stock head/bottom end.

Yep......very easy.

 

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^^ if the op can answer those 2 questions then he can get a better idea of what route is best.

 

The b series motor is a much better platform to start from. You're going to spend the same amount of time, tuning, and money on an SOHC turbo as you will on boosting a B. The B will make MUCH more power. I've had both. Going B was a GREAT decision for me. My turbo y8 was serious too. Beat up on a lot of boosted b16's. The turbo LS I had made 300whp on a bone stock bottom end at 8 psi. My turbo GSR made 425whp at 14psi on pump gas. Just to give you some examples.

 

I was actually wondering if you'd chime in for some D-Series enlightenment

 

if you want lots of power SOHC go with a Fseries

The timeless Bseries vs Dseries debate will always be concluded with "Time Vs Money"

People will always chose the option that demands what they have most of.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tony Starks &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The b series motor is a much better platform to start from. You're going to spend the same amount of time, tuning, and money on an SOHC turbo as you will on boosting a B. The B will make MUCH more power. I've had both. Going B was a GREAT decision for me. My turbo y8 was serious too. Beat up on a lot of boosted b16's. The turbo LS I had made 300whp on a bone stock bottom end at 8 psi. My turbo GSR made 425whp at 14psi on pump gas. Just to give you some examples.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I totally agree, B is better to build upon........but how big is one's budget? Need to factor in the higher priced trannys as well.

 

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I totally agree, B is better to build upon........but how big is one's budget? Need to factor in the higher priced trannys as well.

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Tell me about it. Money is always the factor. I forgot about even considering the trannys. Little bit of info for him, the Y8 tranny is the best D tranny to use. Being the best D, it still has longer gearing than the B's slowest LS tranny.

This is my opinion, buy a complete LS swap and put it in. Save for a GSR tranny and put it in. Then boost that bitch on stock internals. What a fun/quick daily driver.

All this boost talk, makes me miss the darkside.....

 

Christ, i thought this topic was old and beaten to death two years ago.

 

8 years ago.

 

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Tell me about it. Money is always the factor. I forgot about even considering the trannys. Little bit of info for him, the Y8 tranny is the best D tranny to use. Being the best D, it still has longer gearing than the B's slowest LS tranny.

This is my opinion, buy a complete LS swap and put it in. Save for a GSR tranny and put it in. Then boost that bitch on stock internals. What a fun/quick daily driver.

All this boost talk, makes me miss the darkside.....</TD></TR></TABLE>

while you make a good point about OEM gearing on the y8 been long you have the options of changing the gearing which i am sure the "d guru" will be happy to charm in on!
there are also final drives for the D tranny

also i have to say with out getting into a big debate about this you guys seem to be only factoring WOT numbers here nothing else! A D can easily over power a b16 and a LS with out any problems!

that’s all I want to say on the subject i do not wanna start big debate of arguments!

 

Stock D16y7 with a Y8 exhaust manifold, no exhaust. D16Y7 trans, ZC 3rd, stock 3rd as 4th, 4.71 FD, Action 1MD clutch, Fidanza fw. Ate LS swaps up.

 

throw a turbo on your d-series and with a good tune you'll be seein mid 14's on like 7 psi

 

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dear god i love this forum!

exospeed i read they had a SOHC EFI full weight mid build and mid p&p on the head oh and slicks and run 14.5

 

Single Slams get passed over alot.
I think they are cost effective.
That's why I did it. No doubt the B series are other platforms to start with and may be able to make more horsepower/torque in stock form but for the average joe, a stock internal d16 with headstuds, and simple 15g greddy kit, fuel pump and a tune can net you low 13's to high 12's; all depending upon the full setup of course.

 

i have done a lot of reading in the past and believe it or not the d series are more reliable when at a lot of HP.... i can explain it if someone wants.

 

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i wouldnt even bother if i were you either people understand about the D or they don't! personally i wouldn't even waste a dime on a b16 however credit were credit is due the b18's have proven there worth!

however OEM parts for those platforms are expensive if your on a budget!

 

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Yes, go for it...I'd like to hear it.

 

too many people diss on d's

 

just toss in an h2b or an h22 and call it a day lol 4-6 grand and daily driveable 13 second car. then again... i am running a d right now haha.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bense &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you want lots of power SOHC go with a Fseries

The timeless Bseries vs Dseries debate will always be concluded with "Time Vs Money"

People will always chose the option that demands what they have most of.</TD></TR></TABLE>



&lt;-- Building cd5 here. And on an auto tranny