the b20 makes 175hp and 145 tourque at the wheels , the b18c5 makes 195hp and 130 tourque at the fly wheel,
Which is a better motor ???

 

who the hell told you the b20 made 175 hp and 145 tq at the wheels?!?!

 

wait what, is this a real question?

 

B20

Pros
Great torque (133 ft/lbs)
good boost motors
inexpensive
B20z=146hp

Cons
Thin cylinder walls
Have to peice together a swap for a Civic (can't drop it in with a B20 tranny)
Won't pass BAR (light truck motor in a car)
Low hp in the B20b(126 hp)

I'm starting to realize why people are so pissy on these boards. RESEARCH before you ask silly questions with bad information. Theres nothing wrong with asking questions for specifics, but cmon with this crap...

 

sorry, i actually jus saw the dyno slip today, it was 160 hp and 145 torque at the wheels and its a b16 head on a b20 block with a sir trany all jdm , im jus wondering which would be a better motor , i know the b20 is better for boost ?

 

i guess most of you would choose the type r lol, am i right

 

b18 all the way...whats the point of risking fucked up parts in a b20, when u could just get type r and not have issues

 

well, i heard it cost's like 9000 jus to turbo a type R , can anyone confirm that ?

 

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You need to stop talking to the people who tell you these things... they are full of ****.

How much money do you have to spend?

 

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truth

 

You heard wrong (or was informed wrong)

With $1500-$2000 you can boost that motor. I can buy two (97 Coupes for $9000) &lt;_&lt;

But in any case, My recommendation is the B18.

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LOL, really. OP, do you want to stay na or go forced induction. If you're planning to go FI, don't go with a B18c5. IT'd be retarded, they are better left alone imo. Plus they're expensive, as oppposed to a turbo kit on another, cheaper motor. Now if you just want to drop in a motor, and never do anything else to it, go with the b18c5 and call it a day. Jut because they're more powerful motors doesn't mean everyone on the forum will automatically go with that. Each as their pros and cons, so you should look at the stickies in this section.

 

cool , thanks for the help. but im pritty sure im goin with the type R, it is a high compression motor , and i want to make 300hp at the wheels , i know the b18c1 is better for boost, but how much would it cost to get to my 300whp goal, and should i go NA or FI ?

 

if you are wanting 300whp you have to go boost. that and you would spend entire life's savings trying to get close to that much power with NA.

if you are wanting 300whp boosted (which is extremely easy), go with the GSR motor. the ITR would be a waste to boost and cause you more trouble and cost more money.

 

With the b18c5 you'll spend $5000 to make 240whp. After you've paid $4000 for the motor itself.

$9000 and you run a 13. That's damn sad.

A $1000 b18b with a $2000 turbo would eat that for breakfast.

Research before you make 300whp n/a goals, the only smart way to make 300whp n/a is with a k-series or something with more displacement than 1.8L

 

ITR all the way.

My dream car would be a 92 civic sedan with a C5 dropped in it...no modding the motor either.

 

ITR....... no question

 

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There is a question... why spend 4k+ to make 200hp when you can spend 3k and make 250whp? Just doesnt seem logical. Most people do a swap and leave it at that, but they do the swap just so they can say they have a type-r motor or gsr. The B18b1 is way more reasonable than a Type-r, especially if you are going to break the bank buying the motor and have nothing left over for any other mods. I picked up a complete LS for 800 /w mounts, a/c condensor, p/s and a B16 trans. I could easily go the cheap route and not build my motor before I boost and still hit 220-250whp with the right turbo components and proper research on my behalf and hit the $3k mark.

B18c5 for bling points
B18b1-T if you want good whp #'s for your $$$

Its easy to sit here and say im getting a B18c5 and Im going to do this to it and this to it and it never happens because lets be honest, its pretty damn expensive.

 

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Why the blood clot would you even turbo a Type R motor. Get an LS and turbo that.

 

I heard i can supercharge it though , and make 300whp on stock internals, its sounds good to me , supercharger is better for tourque and getting smooth power to the ground with better traction , not sure about the cost though ?

 

whats an LS, and what are the specs?, dont you mean GSR ?

 

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welcome message aside...

SEARCH, all this has been beaten to death already.

And to those of you screaming "TURBO", remember, alot of people are perfectly happy with 200hp and 130tq, I would be pretty happy with that. Some people just dont want to mess with a turbo.

OP, look into b20/vtec builds. -----&gt;https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1676914

There are some really nice b20vtec builds that make really good numbers, hp and torque, and they can be built relatively cheap.

 

turbo D for the win, if its n/a you want then go with b20 bored, with b16 head and tranny(i dont know if the b20 pistons are any good, you might want b16 pistons).

turbo= low compression, in other words no type R's. high comp + boost, not always, but you have a higher chance of detonation with boost and higher comp, if i went b or d-series i would boost if i went k or H-series i would stay n/a.

 

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Christ, what are you, 14?

https://honda-tech.com/zerosearch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_civic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_B_engine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_induction