I have a 93 accord lx.
I'm looking to replace the BMC.
Is Adler the OEM brand or is it nissin?
also, I was told the EX and accord R models had a slightly larger MBC, would that fit into my lx?
if so will I benefit from it?

 

I believe someone told me Adler was when I was about to order one for my Civic but when I received mine from Majestic Honda it was stamped by Nissin so I dunno.

 

Its Nissin.

The master cly will make a difference , but with out stainless steel brake lines. Theres no point in having a bigger BMC. Just my 02 cents.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fastazzf22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its Nissin.

The master cly will make a difference , but with out stainless steel brake lines. Theres no point in having a bigger BMC. Just my 02 cents. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Already got SS lines.

 

Booster is diffrrent as well...<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bruce Banner &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a 93 accord lx.
...I was told the EX and accord R models had a slightly larger MBC, would that fit into my lx?
if so will I benefit from it?</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

O.k, I'll scrap that idea and stick to the OEM size.
So I guess Nissin is OEM?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fastazzf22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The master cly will make a difference , but with out stainless steel brake lines. Theres no point in having a bigger BMC.</TD></TR></TABLE>

and why is that?

 

I am going to assume that fastazzf22 saying "Theres no point in having a bigger BMC." unless there is a change in calipers hydraulic dimensions.

If you have an LX brake setup and switch to an EX BMC, then the hydraulics of the setup changes. The EX BMC pushes more fluid to move the larger pistons of the EX calipers. By having an EX BMC and LX calipers, you "push" more fluid per millimeter of pedal travel causing the brakes to feel more sensitive. Or basically, the brake pedal will lock the brakes up easier then before. Not good if you overact in an accident.

Or vise versa, the LX BMC on EX brakes would not provide adequate pressure to work the EX calipers until the pedal is closer to the floor.

In reality this is much more complicated than is seems, but thats how it works in "nutshell" terms.

 

Aren't the LX and EX calipers the same.
I've never heard of anyone swapping out lx calipers for EX calipers.

 

From what understand, the EX calipers have a larger in diameter piston and the EX brake rotor is larger. A quick upgrade for my 5th gen is to grab the EX caliper bracket and get the type R calipers that have the larger diameter positions (might be dual pistons, can't remember).

 

I don't think the EX has a larger piston, I believe the calipers are the same. The reason the EX has the larger brake master cylinder is for the rear disc brakes.

Also, the ITR calipers are not dual piston, they are a single piston and iirc they are basically the same as the Prelude VTEC calipers.

Edit:
I just checked the parts numbers for the front brake piston on the 1995 LX and EX and they are infact the same part numbers so there is no difference in the front calipers of the 4cyl 94-97 Accords (excluding of course the Wagon and V6 models).

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jabontke &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From what understand, the EX calipers have a larger in diameter piston and the EX brake rotor is larger. A quick upgrade for my 5th gen is to grab the EX caliper bracket and get the type R calipers that have the larger diameter positions (might be dual pistons, can't remember).</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nope.
They are the same size.
Just checked.
This explains why nobody ever does LX to EX brake upgrades.

 

Where did you see that they are the same? I get 2 different part numbers here:

http://www.hondaautomotivepart...h.jsp

From what I understand ( in most cases), EX has better brakes than LX model Hondas. Its not night and day differences in terns of performance, but in the 5th gen accord, the EX caliper bracket allows one to mount the type r calipers (which are dual piston I believe) and the larger diameter rotor. Thats worth the swap.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jabontke &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Where did you see that they are the same? I get 2 different part numbers here:

http://www.hondaautomotivepart...h.jsp

From what I understand ( in most cases), EX has better brakes than LX model Hondas. Its not night and day differences in terns of performance, but in the 5th gen accord, the EX caliper bracket allows one to mount the type r calipers (which are dual piston I believe) and the larger diameter rotor. Thats worth the swap.</TD></TR></TABLE>
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/
Well for one reason they are diff is cause the EX is 4 disc and the LX is rear drum, at least in the 4th gen.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bruce Banner &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/
Well for one reason they are diff is cause the EX is 4 disc and the LX is rear drum, at least in the 4th gen.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Really? I never even looked into that. So most EX's are rear disc? Well, it might be time to take a stroll through the local junk yards.

 

for the 4th Gen the EX models are 4 disc and the LX modesl were rear drum.
This is why people do rear disc conversions on their LX's

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TouringAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think the EX has a larger piston, I believe the calipers are the same. The reason the EX has the larger brake master cylinder is for the rear disc brakes.

Also, the ITR calipers are not dual piston, they are a single piston and iirc they are basically the same as the Prelude VTEC calipers.

Edit:
I just checked the parts numbers for the front brake piston on the 1995 LX and EX and they are infact the same part numbers so there is no difference in the front calipers of the 4cyl 94-97 Accords (excluding of course the Wagon and V6 models).</TD></TR></TABLE>

and yes, the 90-97 EX model Accords have 4 wheel discs while the LX and DX models only have drum rear brakes.

 

Ok, but they use different rotors for sure. So the real difference is that the EX has a larger diameter rotor. It has been many years since I have looked into this for the 5th gen, but I could have swore the calipers were different. I going to do some further looking and see if I can't get a good source.

 

rotors are the same too I think.
Edit, just checked.
Same.

 

nope, the rotor diameters and thickness are the same for all models of the 94-97 4cyl Accords. The 95-97 Wagons and V6's had a rotor with larger diameter though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TouringAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nope, the rotor diameters and thickness are the same for all models of the 94-97 4cyl Accords. The 95-97 Wagons and V6's had a rotor with larger diameter though.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yup, I guess that is why you never hear of lx to EX brake swaps.

 

only for the rears

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TouringAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">only for the rears </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeh, crappy *** drums, which I am cursed with.
(I'm too cheap to do the swap lol)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TouringAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nope, the rotor diameters and thickness are the same for all models of the 94-97 4cyl Accords. The 95-97 Wagons and V6's had a rotor with larger diameter though.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's what i was thinking of, the wagon. That is the one that has the brackets needed for the larger diameter rotor swap. Thanks for the correction, guys. I have all of this written down somewhere. I need to find it. The wagon caliper brackets are the ones used for the larger rotor swap and switch to the Cl/integra type R calipers.

 

ah, np also, keep in mind the Wagon and V6 brake setup is the same (caliper brackets, calipers, rotors, etc.).