Honda Prelude All Model Preludes

why does my first to second shift so slow

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 11, 2007 | 01:13 AM
  #1  
DSRxGOOMPA's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 634
Likes: 0
Default why does my first to second shift so slow

in high rpm when i shift into second it feels like i shift into a solid wall.. after about a second then it goes into gear! anyway i can stop this or help it out?
Reply
Old Jul 11, 2007 | 05:28 AM
  #2  
carnot's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 471
Likes: 0
Default Re: why does my first to second shift so slow (GOOMPA)

so you are saying at high revs you can't make the shift from 1st to 2nd smoothly? Are there any grinding noises or anything when you are trying to do this? I guess it could be a variety of things....syncros, linkages, clutch system? Any other symptoms?
Reply
Old Jul 11, 2007 | 05:34 AM
  #3  
Finest's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 4,887
Likes: 0
From: Milwaukee, WI
Default Re: why does my first to second shift so slow (GOOMPA)

Is this an automatic?

Reply
Old Jul 11, 2007 | 05:43 AM
  #4  
94Vtecluder's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,664
Likes: 0
From: NY
Default Re: why does my first to second shift so slow (Finest)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Finest &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is this an automatic?

</TD></TR></TABLE>

Right? Some sort of specification might help....
Reply
Old Jul 11, 2007 | 07:01 AM
  #5  
InvaderTrax's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,905
Likes: 1
From: Knoxville, TN, United States
Default

If it's a manual, and you put it in gear and it slowly starts to come down after you release the clutch, you have a slipping clutch
Reply
Old Jul 11, 2007 | 01:47 PM
  #6  
DSRxGOOMPA's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 634
Likes: 0
Default Re: (InvaderTrax)

yes its manual.... its like a slight pause. its while im racing basically. its a jdm h22 tranny
Reply
Old Jul 11, 2007 | 02:22 PM
  #7  
Finest's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 4,887
Likes: 0
From: Milwaukee, WI
Default Re: (GOOMPA)

You need a new clutch. It's slipping.

Reply
Old Jul 11, 2007 | 02:24 PM
  #8  
businessmanph's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 347
Likes: 0
From: syracuse, ny, U.S.A.
Default Re: (Finest)

does it grind when you try to shift fast into 2nd gear. you should try to shift a little slower.
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2007 | 11:39 AM
  #9  
DSRxGOOMPA's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 634
Likes: 0
Default Re: (businessmanph)

its a six puk clutch.. its pretty new still and grabs like hell still.... i tried to shif slower and that didnt work either
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2007 | 12:51 PM
  #10  
Finest's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 4,887
Likes: 0
From: Milwaukee, WI
Default Re: (GOOMPA)

Pretty new as in how many miles?

And what brand?
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2007 | 01:45 PM
  #11  
E-Money's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
20 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,302
Likes: 1
From: reppin jerzey, USA
Default Re: (Finest)

shift slower, its still a honda
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2007 | 03:58 PM
  #12  
HollywoodSI's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
From: Spokane, Wa, US
Default Re: why does my first to second shift so slow (GOOMPA)

I am not too sure, but my buddy did some homework and he has owned nothing but Honda's all his life, I had the same thing and he told me that its something done in the factory to prevent racing. I am not too sure though, I recently got into the Honda Scene bout a month ago.
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2007 | 04:27 PM
  #13  
CHK4TIX's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 3,353
Likes: 0
From: At work
Default Re: why does my first to second shift so slow (HollywoodSI)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HollywoodSI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.....my buddy did some homework and he has owned nothing but Honda's all his life, I had the same thing and he told me that its something done in the factory to prevent racing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not to be a dick but you're buddy needs to do a little more homework. Anyways, if it's sticking when shifting and you replaced the clutch not to long ago, you could always try and bleed the slave and see if that fixes the problem
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2007 | 04:39 PM
  #14  
xthekidx's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 185
Likes: 0
From: 209, Ca, United States
Default Re: why does my first to second shift so slow (CHK4TIX)

carbon fiber synchos will do the trick.
your tranny will damn near shift it self.
lmao.

on the real, get some honda mtf, the newer stuff, and just change the tranny fluid.
im sure that will definitely help, most ppl swear by the new mtf.
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2007 | 04:46 PM
  #15  
TylerC161's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 658
Likes: 0
From: Kansas City, KS, US
Default

I know exactly what you're talking about; I have the same problem.

I shift from 1st to 2nd (either while racing, or at a high rpm, or shifting fast) and it clicks down a little, but doesnt go in gear. It takes 1-2 seconds for it to actually "pop" in gear, and it has no grinds right?

Same problem I have. You more then likely need your throw out bearing replaced. (From what a local Honda shop told me about my car) Also have your shift fork checked.

And as far as fixing it "free", double check ALL tranny cables to make sure nothing is being jammed when shifting. Make sure to check near the tranny area so that no connectors or wires are getting tangled with the shift linkage.
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2007 | 05:20 PM
  #16  
mgags7's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 15,050
Likes: 3
Default

never have I seen/heard more BS in one thread.

1) NO there is nothing in a honda transmission to stop you from "racing"

2) Your clutch is not slipping

When your trans shifts slow there is one (or both )of two things at work.
1) Your clutch is not fully releasing the input shaft, or doing so very slowly. For that problem, you need to bleed your clutch system and make sure it fully releases when you have the pedal down.

You will know if you have a bad throwout bearing, when you press the clutch down it will make noise. That is not this guy's problem.

2) Or it could be a trans in horrible shape. If your syncros are on the way out, it takes them longer to speed up or slow down the countershaft to the right speed to shift 1st-&gt;2nd.
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2007 | 05:30 PM
  #17  
Missing Gears's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,206
Likes: 0
Default Re: (mgags7)

your problem is in the tranny. it sounds like the slider is engaging the syncro but getting hung up on the dog teeth on 2nd gear.

you will most likely need a new gear assembly, honda sells them as a whole assembly including the gear you want w/ the hub, slider, sleeves, syncros and rings. will probably cost you around 400. for each assembly you need. it may end up being cheaper for you to buy another trans if you cant get cost at honda.
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2007 | 05:33 PM
  #18  
lude98SH's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 2,801
Likes: 1
From: Drexel Hill, Pa, 19026
Default Re: (Missing Gears)

are you talking about clutch delay ?
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2007 | 05:37 PM
  #19  
Finest's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 4,887
Likes: 0
From: Milwaukee, WI
Default Re: (lude98SH)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lude98SH &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are you talking about clutch delay ? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I have never heard, nor experienced this on a manual transmission of any kind. And I've driven my fair share of cars, including a 1G DSM.
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2007 | 01:51 AM
  #20  
TylerC161's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 658
Likes: 0
From: Kansas City, KS, US
Default Re: (Finest)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Finest &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I have never heard, nor experienced this on a manual transmission of any kind. And I've driven my fair share of cars, including a 1G DSM. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Oh god, you're one of those people. Great. Now the whole Prelude sections is going to get crank walk
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2007 | 06:51 AM
  #21  
snzh22's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 718
Likes: 0
From: li, ny
Default Re: (TylerC161)

r u sure u have an h22 tranny? what are the first 4 letters/numbers on it?
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2007 | 07:28 AM
  #22  
loudassVTEC's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,025
Likes: 0
From: Bluffton, SC
Default Re: (TylerC161)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TylerC161 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


Oh god, you're one of those people. Great. Now the whole Prelude sections is going to get crank walk</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL! Hey! He did say 1st gen! The 6 bolt DSM's don't have that crankwalk problem!!

My Mom, who drives a 3rd gen v6 Eclipse had this problem. It ended up being the slave cylinder on the clutch. The seal on the inside was leaking, and the clutch wasn't engaging all the way...it was grabbing ever so slightly...just enough to make it impossible to shift without double clutching. Double clutched it, and it was fine. I pulled the rubber boot off the slave cyl, and it spewed out fluid. New slave, and a fresh bleed, and it was good as new. I hope your problem is this simple.
Reply
Old Jul 14, 2007 | 09:39 AM
  #23  
DSRxGOOMPA's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 634
Likes: 0
Default Re: (TylerC161)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TylerC161 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know exactly what you're talking about; I have the same problem.

I shift from 1st to 2nd (either while racing, or at a high rpm, or shifting fast) and it clicks down a little, but doesnt go in gear. It takes 1-2 seconds for it to actually "pop" in gear, and it has no grinds right?

Same problem I have. You more then likely need your throw out bearing replaced. (From what a local Honda shop told me about my car) Also have your shift fork checked.

And as far as fixing it "free", double check ALL tranny cables to make sure nothing is being jammed when shifting. Make sure to check near the tranny area so that no connectors or wires are getting tangled with the shift linkage.</TD></TR></TABLE>


that is my exact problem... you think using a good *** tranny fluid would help it out?
Reply
Old Jul 14, 2007 | 11:11 AM
  #24  
Missing Gears's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,206
Likes: 0
Default Re: (GOOMPA)

the best tranny fluid for your honda is made by HONDA.

like i said, the problem is inside the trans and will only get worse w/ time. speciall fluid additives will NOT fix it. it will need to be rebuilt w/ new parts otherwise you are wasting your time.
Reply
Old Jul 14, 2007 | 11:28 AM
  #25  
95goldSE's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
From: breda, ia, usa
Default

id say its the throw out bearing check that
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:06 PM.