has anyone have any personal experience with the alpine type r subs?

im currently running two 12" 2001~ model eclipse aluminums (400rms/800peak) and i love them im just looking to upgrade. is there anyone out there who has experience with both subs and know which one would come out on top? SQ is just as important as SPL so im looking at the all around better sub

BTW: im running a jl 500/1 on them at the moment and will soon be adding another 500/1 shortly

 

Imo, eclipse aluminum's are much better than the type R's. Apples for apples the R's will be louder, but the eclipse will sound better providing they're not worn out (ie sloppy).

I had an sw8122.4 (I think that was the model number) that a friend bought in 2003 or so for a little while. It sounded pretty good, but after a while the bass got a little sloppy.

Btw, you're underpowering your eclipses

 

bummer..i just got done testing the type r against the eclipse.. im definately keeping what i have. i was just hoping 6 years later at least alpine would have came up with a better sub than the eclipse. eclipse hit harder and cleaner..the type r was distorted and gutless and i burnt up the coil a little haha..type r's are getting returned tomorrow.

as far as being underpowered i know..im looking into a second 500/1 as stated before, hopefully that will satisfy me for now

 

How where you testing the type Rs, what box are they in?

I have installed more then a few sets of both the Eclipse and the Alpines and IMO the Alpines are a far better sounding sub.

As stated you are under-powering the eclipse, and to drive the Alpines properly you will need 1000W RMS, if you tried them with the 500W RMS you have, it is why they did not sound good and why you burnt the VCs.

BTW good luck returning them burnt VCs is not a manufacturer's defect, it is user abuse and will void warranty. 94

 

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I have installed more then a few sets of both the Eclipse and the Alpines and IMO the Alpines are a far better sounding sub.
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Even the older aluminum coned ones?

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Depends on how stringent the shop is with their policy. My last job would take back practically anything as long as there was no visible damage, and it wasn't the 3rd or 4th time.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by misanthropist &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Even the older aluminum coned ones? </TD></TR></TABLE> Especially the older ones.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by misanthropist &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Depends on how stringent the shop is with their policy. My last job would take back practically anything as long as there was no visible damage, and it wasn't the 3rd or 4th time. </TD></TR></TABLE> Obviously, if they ar willing to take the hit, Kicker will not.

WHAT IS NOT COVERED?

This warranty is valid only if the product is used for the purpose for which it was designed.

It does not cover:

Damage due to improper installation.


Subsequent damage to other components.


Damage caused by exposure to moisture, excessive heat, chemical cleaners, and/or UV radiation.


Damage through negligence, misuse, accident or abuse. Repeated returns for the same damage may be considered abuse.


Any cost or expense related to the removal or reinstallation of product.


Speakers damage due to amplifier clipping or distortion .


We also used to cover speakers as long as there was no visible damage and our suppliers would cover us, that changed a few years back, our suppliers authorized me to cut the VCs out of speakers I suspected of being burnt, if not the supplier would replace the speaker, however if the VCs are burnt they would not.
Sometimes, if it was a good customer we would still cover them one time, but not anymore.
So again, good luck to the OP. 94

 

i was testing the sub in a dual BUT separate chamber sealed 12" box(~1-1.25cuft each). eclipse on one side type r on the other so they were in identical boxes, i just jumped the speaker leads to compare..sure the boxes aren't built to spec but given my circumstances i think it was even enough. jl 500/1 is plenty power for a type r as they are rated at 500 rms. bottom line is i gave them a try but was seriously disappointed and YES they have been returned and defected out, that wasn't even an issue.

 

thats because type Rs love ported box dummy.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dleccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats because type Rs love ported box dummy. </TD></TR></TABLE> No its not.
It's because it was tested in a box that was way too big, net volume for sealed enclosure is .78 cuft, [.85 cuft gross] 94

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> No its not.
It's because it was tested in a box that was way too big, net volume for sealed enclosure is .78 cuft, [.85 cuft gross] 94</TD></TR></TABLE>

where are you getting your facts? have you even dealt with these drivers before? those specs are retardedly small. the smallest sealed box for the alpine type rs should be no smaller than 1.5 cubes. if anything, i would go 2 cubes sealed or 2.2-2.5 cubes ported after driver/port displacement. besides, a box that small isnt optimal for that kinda power he's running. he wanted the sq up there with the spl as well.

 

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where are you getting your facts? have you even dealt with these drivers before? those specs are retardedly small. the smallest sealed box for the alpine type rs should be no smaller than 1.5 cubes. if anything, i would go 2 cubes sealed or 2.2-2.5 cubes ported after driver/port displacement. besides, a box that small isnt optimal for that kinda power he's running. he wanted the sq up there with the spl as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You are the one that has no ideal on what your posting about. The reason the r was made was to compete against the the w6 in sq and enclosure size. It was made to work in 0.57-1.0 cu. ft. sealed and 0.75-2.0 cu. ft. vented or ported. Also don't forget the displacement of the sub. And were did I get my info? From working with them and having a alpine rep for a friend. Your numbers don't add up. The op is not sure the correct volume of the enclosure. 1.-1.25 is alot to be off by in my book. This will affect sound quality. Also if the tune was made for each speaker. Something was not tuned right because the op burnt the speaker leads so that means the amp was clipping.


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They will love any box that they were design to work in with the right volume.

Your dissing someone thats built more enclosure then anyone here. Over 30 years plus is a longtime to get things right. I am not even close to his rankings. But can still build them right too.

 

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where are you getting your facts? have you even dealt with these drivers before? those specs are retardedly small. the smallest sealed box for the alpine type rs should be no smaller than 1.5 cubes. if anything, i would go 2 cubes sealed or 2.2-2.5 cubes ported after driver/port displacement. besides, a box that small isnt optimal for that kinda power he's running. he wanted the sq up there with the spl as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I have installed more then a few sets of both the Eclipse and the Alpines</TD></TR></TABLE> I guess you missed that part.

Where did I get the specs? I know the specs of the Alpine subs, but just for you ... http://vault.alpine-usa.com/pr...D.PDF does that work for you? 94

 

whoa this thread is getting a little out of hand..

i gotta admit i was a little bias getting into the situation seeing as though I've had the eclipse's for ~5 years of torture and still going strong. im not saying the type r's aren't a good sub, but at best i can imagine it barely doing just as good as what i have and its just not enough to get me to switch over just yet. for the record i didn't burn the coils. i heated them up pretty good then backed off. they still read at 4.1 ohms each after the test. how can i beat on the eclipses for so long and never get them to heat up like the alpine did in a few minutes time.

in my opinion eclipse used to make some bad *** subs but i do want to upgrade..seeing as they discontinued their titanium line does anyone know any sub that would satisfy my sickness for more bass?

 

" i heated them up pretty good then backed off. they still read at 4.1 ohms each after the test. how can i beat on the eclipses for so long and never get them to heat up like the alpine did in a few minutes time. you were testing the sub in a box that had the wrong air volume, by at least 33%, it is no wonder they didn't sound any good and the VC VCs got hot, no cone control. 94

 

im not totally disagreeing with you. but i am looking for a little more than what the type are can offer..seeing as you have some experience on your belt..what sub would you recommend over the eclipse but still in the 300-400 range or so? serious question

 

have your tried the Digital Designs 3500 series? i think they are of the same class with the alpine type R's.

just giving you some other options.

 

IMO, JL Audio makes the best subs, [for the price], MTX also makes some pretty good subs, IMO both have subs that are better then the Eclipse.

Keep in mind, no matter what sub you end up getting, the box it/they go into will determine the SQ of the sub bass. 94

 

just to be sure..are you guy referring to the correct eclipse sub? this is the one i have..i know the current ones are pretty much crap thats why i ask..









the magnet on the eclipse's are monsters compared to the type r

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I bought a loaded Alpine box with Alpine type-r sub..Really love it because the whole thing is excellent quality, Alpine specifically built the box for the 12" type r..I run at 2ohms with a mono alpine 400 rms amp..insane loud

 

the type r sub is probably the best sub that you can buy for that price