Hello there fellas! Im new to the honda scene, so i got a question or 2...I currently have a '97 hatch with a b16 and gsr tranny. The head it fully built by crower w/ stg 2 cams. it made 163 whp, and moves pretty good. Basically im lookin for a killer vtec. I though cuz an h22 was the biggest that would be the best way to go all motor (excluding k-series). Im seeing alot of b-series, and not too many h22s. I am wondering why...Im looking to get around 250whp all motor with a hard hitting vtec. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks!

 

Do some research. Stock H22s are much more powerful than any stock B series.

 

I was looking @ the dyno posts for all motor, and I was really shocked. I just got into this Honda scene, so Im still new with all these motor swaps...Is there really a "best" way to go all motor? I know its basically about compression, and the cams. i think...I thougt h22 would be the best simply because of its displacement, but it doesnt seem to be a popular choice. And what about the stock hp thing? the h22 has much more than any others i found except for jdm ITR...Thanks!

 

Your best bet is a F20B out of the SiR Accords or an H22 Type S.

Both make around 220hp at the flywheel, they're the easiest to bump up if ur looking for 250 all motor.

 

thats kinda what i figured. im just not seeing them being used a whole lot, and was wondering why...

 

b series is more common because it is a lot easier swap compared to an h or f series

 

o0o0o0o0o0. well, that makes sense. so as far as motor capability, the h22 does have a lot of potential? would you say starting from stock more than any of the b-series?

 

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Of course it does. More displacement = more potential for power. Why do you think people use B20's instead of B16's for all motor B's? I hate to quote it, but domestic owners are right: "There is no replacement for displacement"

 

hey nongan! ive heard that before too, and u gotta hand it to 'em. can i ask you...why did u choose b20vtec over h22?

 

I LOVE MY B20 VTEC!!!!

 

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Actually, I'm going to be selling my hatch soon and I never ended up swapping it......BUT, the reason I was going to choose a B20 swap over an H22 is the price. I could get a B20 into my car for around 1500, but a good running H22 would be around 2-3k. I wasn't looking for a race car, just a nice torquey daily driver, which the B20 is a cheaper option. But for a full blown N/A build, I would go for an H22 every day. Actually, I would go H2B. It's basically an H22 engine with a B-Series tranny (which are geared alot better than the h22). All it requires is an adapter plate. That with an all out N/A build on the H22 and some good slicks, and I wouldn't be suprised to see you hit.....low 11's, high 10's maybe?

 

thats right .... PM EK FOREVER Guy he knows about that H2B stuff

 

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I don't know nearly as much as most people. I just like open my mouth more.

Sure, pm me if you want all the hairy details.

A stock h2b with good driving should put you in the low 13's.

 

maybe i should have done that....

 

it's a bit more than that too, the block of the h22 has a special metal matrix instead of the ductile iron sleeves of the b-series making it easier to swap pistons in, and also the fact of the tranny like mentioned earlier and the revability of the b for the rod ratio, it's a bit more than that but that's just the tip of the iceberg

 

h22 - 200hp 160 tq

b16 - 160-170hp ~115tq
b18c1 - 180hp ~130tq
b18b - 142hp 127 tq
b18c5 - 200hp 134tq
b20 - 126hp 133tq


End of story, h22 &gt; every b-series I listed in terms of torque and displacement.

 

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He does seem awfully concerned with teh vtak.

OP: What's your budget, goals, etc?

 

Valve timing is overrated.

 

no its not... most people make fun of vtec.

 

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i was waitin to see someone mention the tq #s. everyone just thinks hp. also someone kept mentioning b20 over the h for money reasons and power but a stock b20 would have nothin on a h unless u put a vtec head on it then ur spendin more than a h.

 

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OP: What's your budget, goals, etc? </TD></TR></TABLE>

^^ What he said.

He already has the GSR tranny that he could mate with the H22 using H2B so he has part of the total cost out of the way. He just needs to do some research and price how much everything will cost with a H22 type-S motor like Syn suggested and all the other necessary components

 

If your looking for displacement... go even bigger and get the H23 short block and an h22 head... One of my friends has this setup If I had to guess it is probably about a 230hp all motor car STOCK. But I am not a huge fan of H (too expensive). I have a D series with 365 whp on 12lbs. SO the replacement for displacement is a 70mm TURBO.

 

let me find a stock h22 dyno...

 

Why would he waste all that money on a Type S (nearly double the cost of stock H22) when everything that makes it Type S will still have to be replaced to reach the 250whp goal???

He can buy a complete standard JDM H22 swap for around $2000 shipped from a shop if you look around. Cheaper if you just buy the longblock, and maybe cheaper still if you piecemeal it together while building the bottom end. A new complete H2B kit with mounts for your specific chassis is a tough hit though...like $1100 or so. But since you got the tranny already that offsets some of that. It's not drop in though, frame hammering is needed to make it fit.

And as far as reliability it's as reliable as any other Honda, I don't hear Prelude owners crying about engine problems. And the rod/stroke ratio is basically the same as a GSR/ITR, but better than a B20.