First I would like to say hello to everybody from Honda-Tech. I've been looking to the forum for some time and I decided to register cause I have a lot of questions and I know I'll have the answers here.

I own a 91' Acura Integra RS but it's to rusty to make something good for it, so I have in mind to buy a clean one and make a lapping/street car with it. Here's what I plan on getting for sure on the new one:

Engine: JDM ITR B18C Engine Swap; Fully ported & polished head, throttle body - Fully balanced bottom end - AEM ITR cold air induction kit, adjustable cam gears - Toda Spec B High Power camshafts, valvesprings - Mugen thermostat, radiator cap - Custom 2.5inch exhaust pipping - Magnaflow Hi-Flow catalytic converter - HKS Carbon-Ti muffler - Koyo aluminium radiator

Tranny: JDM Xsi B16A LSD Tranny; ITR Spec R 4.7 Final Drive - Quaife LSD - Toda High Power B16A Single clutch kit, B16A Ultralight CrMo flywheel

Stiff Stuff: Tanabe Sustec Pro S-OC Type II coilovers - SpoonSport front strut tower bar - Fonction7 billet lower control arm, rear sway bar endlink - Mugen complete bushing kit (All bushings), A-Spec 32mm sway bar, Full Race Prostreet traction bar

Rollers: Wedsport SA-90 16X7 Bronze wheels - Toyo Proxes T1R Tires (Pas sur de la grosseur des pneus)

Stoppers: Rotora F&R OE replacement Slotted/Drilled rotors - Axxis Ultimate brake pads - Goodridge brained SS brakelines

Exterior and Interior is not important.

Here's some of my questions:

1- First, does this set-up make senses? If not, what would you change and WHY.

2- I've been told to change the Mastercylinder and Brake booster for a 1 inch MS from and ITR, CTR, Accord v6 or s2000. Agree or not?

3- I'm not sure about all the Suspension/Brake set-up. Do you think, with the engine/tranny set-up I want, I would be better make a ITR Brake/Suspension/5Lug conversion or put the set-up I listed above??

I think that's all for now, I will surely have other questions has the researchs goes.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Silchuki14

 

Why not just change fronts to acura legend 2 piston calipers?

 

Is there any advantage over the stock caliper? How many piston the stock one have?

Thanks!

 

HEY BRO THAT SOUND PRETTY GOOD I HAVE A JDM B18C TYPE-R IN MY 1992 GSR INTEGRA BUT I KEPT THE HYDRAULIC TRANNY WITH MY SWAP I BOUGHT THE CONVERSION KIT FROM INNOVATIVE MOTOR MOUNTS CHECK THEM OUT OR GO TO ROBEARRACING.COM THEY GOT WHAT YOU NEED FOR THAT SWAP PLUS FIV LUG CONVERSION GO FOR IT I AM DOING IT TO MINE SUSPENSION I WOULD GO WITH SKUNK2 I GOT THOSE NO COMPLAINTS FULL COILOVERS THOU ROTORA ROTORS ARE GREAT I GOT THOSE WITH EBC BRAKE PADS WELL IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE ? LET ME KNOW I COULD HELP

JUAN

 

all of this sounds coo to me but your stock pistons are good just get better pads

 

i would say save ur money and dont buy an itr motor. i would recommend either a gsr, ls/vtec or b20/vtec. if ur gonna be porting the head and putting in bigger cams and valvetrain, it kinda defeats the purpose of buying the itr motor

 

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There are very few advantages over a B16 head. And you would be better off using the money you saved by not buying an ITR motor and build up the B18C, LS/VTEC, etc.

Good call on the tranny. Cable all the way.

I hope you have an assload of money because this setup is far from cheap.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92_INTEGRA_GS-R_TYPE-R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">HEY BRO THAT SOUND PRETTY GOOD I HAVE A JDM B18C TYPE-R IN MY 1992 GSR INTEGRA BUT I KEPT THE HYDRAULIC TRANNY WITH MY SWAP I BOUGHT THE CONVERSION KIT FROM INNOVATIVE MOTOR MOUNTS CHECK THEM OUT OR GO TO ROBEARRACING.COM THEY GOT WHAT YOU NEED FOR THAT SWAP PLUS FIV LUG CONVERSION GO FOR IT I AM DOING IT TO MINE SUSPENSION I WOULD GO WITH SKUNK2 I GOT THOSE NO COMPLAINTS FULL COILOVERS THOU ROTORA ROTORS ARE GREAT I GOT THOSE WITH EBC BRAKE PADS WELL IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE ? LET ME KNOW I COULD HELP</TD></TR></TABLE>

Legibilty is important. Bad grammar/punctuation/spelling will only make life hard for you on this forum.

 

Thanks for all the infos!

Sorry, but I keep the B18C engine swap even if it's a lot of money and I know this set-up will not be cheap. But I would like you to explain why porting, putting bigger cams and valvetrain will defeat the purpose of the ITR? Would I be better with only bolt-on on the ITR engine? I don't want to go turbo BTW.

I really want that Type R Factor in my DA...that's why I want the B18C and I'm thinking about 5lug

Thanks a lot!

 

You have a lot to learn. Anyways, the ITR head is already mildly ported and polished from the factory. It shares the same exact casting as the B16 head, except it has a more aggresive valvetrain/ camshaft profiles. LS-T FTW Cheap/reliable/fun

 

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Its cool if an ITR motor is what you want. But if you are tearing apart the head and doing all that work, it would be worthless to start with an ITR head when you can find the same gains from a B16 or GSR head for half the money. Get a GSR shortblock, which i believe shares the same rotating assembly (except pistons) with an ITR motor, and slap a B16 head on it. Much, much cheaper for the same end result. And it would be damn close to having a factory ITR motor.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Battle Version &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You have a lot to learn. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Just read, read, read.

If you have all this money, save some by doing a poor mans ITR and give me the rest so i can finish my ****.


Modified by DAmnquickDA at 2:03 AM 7/3/2007

 

Like Battle Version said, the benefits of an ITR head over a B16 is more aggressive cam profiles and beefier valvetrain. You will be replacing those anyway. Why pay extra for "better" parts that you will be replacing with aftermarket parts? In the end, you will not have gained a thing by using an ITR head instead of a B16 head. Same casting + same aftermarket cams + same aftermarket valvetrain = same result. ITR head ~ 1500. B16 head ~ 500. For your purposes B16 head &gt; ITR head.


Money adds up quicker than you can predict, so save it where you can.

 

So I would make around the same power output with a SIR with the mod I said above than a ITR engine??

Would I be better using a B18C1 GSR engine with those mods?

Thanks a lot!

 

sounds like u have plenty of money...good luck

 

I don't have plenty of money, I have plenty of passion and I will not built this set-up in one years for sure, I'll take my time and built it right the first time.

Thanks!

 

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Yes. Assuming you do end up having the head ported and polished and use aftermarket cams/valvetrain then you would be better off getting a GSR engine. Just go with an aftermarket intake manifold from Skunk 2, Blox, etc. The factory one wont do well with high lift cams because of the IABs. That would be the only thing i would add to your above setup.

Reliable place to buy motor from (i wish i had) http://www.hmotorsonline.com/s...30026

Search around for a B16 or B17 transmission. http://www.hondamarketplace.co...74793

 

ls/vtec all the way baby b18b1 block wit b16 head,port polish ur head cams/valvetrain u will prob. macke more horse power than the C5 and cheaper

 

yes, the advantage of the ITR is the valve train/cams/head/pistons......so if you feel the need to improve on those items, no need to go ITR.

saying you have an ITR w/all those aftermarket power parts is the same as saying i have a GSR with the same parts in my mind.

besides the slightly higher compression, cam profiles......i would go JDM GSR B18C and change your internal parts, if your not changing pistons/engine size

 

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It wont be cheaper if its done right. Ask any of the guys in the all motor forum how much their LS/V setup cost and i guarantee you its just as much if not more than a JDM B18C/R... unless you buy one thats already built for you.


Modified by DAmnquickDA at 4:43 PM 7/4/2007

 

that is true but if its build right u get b etter compression than a c5 ls/v all the way

 

of course you can get better compression than a C5. They are only 10.6:1 is the US and 11:1 in Japan. Most LS/VTEC setups are at least 11.5:1 with OE HOnda pistons. A majority of the ones i have seen buitl by my friends were in excess of 12:1. Compression is almost guaranteed to be higher than an ITR motor, unless you do somthing stupid wrong

 

Thanks! So I'll take the B18C1 GSR engine then and add a Skunk2 intake manifold to my set-up! Anything I should add? I was thinking about the ITR Water & Oil pump?


Thanks again!

 

this sounds more like a wishlist than a description of ones setup.lol

 

You can take it as a wish list if you want. The true is that I own a Integra but its to rusty and its automashit... So I have in mind to buy another one in good shape and build it from the grass but before I wanna make sure I'm on the right way.


thanks

 

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What would you gain by doing this?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DAmnquickDA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

What would you gain by doing this?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i was wondering the same thing