So after doing research and getting amped up for it, I'm strongly considering going through with the h22 swap.

Now from what I've seen/searched, everything seems straight forward but some things don't seem to get discussed too too much and I'm curious.

Value for the money and where to buy.

I'm also fairly sure I'd like to go with the LSD transmission, price wise, I'm seeing about 1500 for a long block + shipping and about 2500 for a full swap + shipping. Do these prices seem right? Anyone know of a hidden nook in the wall shop that sells for cheaper?

Second question being the Value for the money, obviously this swap is about the most well known and obvious choice for our cars, but is it worth it to go from the f22b1/2 to the h22? The numbers are not that far off from each other and I read someone making the statement that they were not too impressed with the swap after doing it.

So for guys that have them and for guys looking into them, any insight is helpful.

I paid 3000 for the car itself and it's running fine at 190k but I've got my major service coming up so that also gets tossed in there.

 

Scrounge your local Salvage/Junk yards. I got an entire Prelude w/H22 (no title) for $1500. I took it home and stripped all the parts I needed...sold some of the parts I didn't need, but that would be your best bet. I spent the money I saved on bottom end rebuilding and so the story goes.

 

Wish it was that easy for me

Every Honda gets absolutely ravaged in the salvage yards near me, they barely last a day.

 

screw the salvage yard man. chances for most people are slim to none to find a h22. even if you did find one, it might be the usdm in which would have high miles and you'd have to rebuild it probably. you'd have to be the first one there when new inventory arrives on prelude or cars with swaps at the salvage yard. i got my complete swap on ebay back in 03'. it was an auto though and i recently converted to a h23 5spd earlier this year. also try a local importer. i have a couple here in dallas and they seem to be reasonable. there are also a few that i have seen people give links to on here. on is something like htmotoronline.om or something like that. you have to search to get the correct name for i am not positive. and yes your 2500 estimate w/lsd sounds about right. without lsd i have seen them go for 1900-2200. as far as the f22, i have no clude. although i have heard nice things with the f22b. but if the numbers are almost equal, i probably wouldn't do the swap. you can make up the difference in mods. but it depends on your goals but you know that much already.

 

well the F22B1 is 145hp/147torque

H22 is 200/161

I mean they're ~close~ but obviously the h22 is an improvement. I'd mostly do it to reduce the miles on the engine and for the extra power, but it's still a pricy swap for 50hp/20 torque

 

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thats why you see all the H22 swap vs. F22 Turbo threads/arguments

 

lol i know

those threads turn into fan boy flame fests though

 

oh really. only 145hp. my old f22a6 pretty much did that. in that case i would do the swap. 50/20 is a big number. especial with the aftermarket support that comes with the h22. you can always boost the f22 and exceed a stock h22. but you can also boost a stock h22 and blow away a f22 with the same work done to the f22. depends on your wallet. since i have been on the mod scene this stuff gets addictive and pricey when wanting to add power to an economy car.

 

haha i dont want this to turn into a h22 vs f22 thread

it's a good amount but engine being about $2k + swapping (another 500-1000) you're looking at a really expensive upgrade for that amount of power. The main concern I have with turbo is reliability - at 190k I think my engine has seen enough damage and wouldn't hold up well unless a full rebuild was done (which I dont have time to do)

 

try local jdm engine importers if you have any. that way you get to pick your engine, save on shipping and less hassle with warranties

http://www.noyanusa.com/ is one in VA that ive heard of

 

Interesting, I had never heard of them or come up with their name on a search, there's a few swap shops around me (a place called Millenium) and I haven't checked with them yet, I've also thought purchasing the motor myself would be cheapest route

 

haha, sorry for bringing it up

anyway, if you are looking for some added power and want something with lower mileage, just go ahead and get the H22, I doubt you'll regret it.

just a thought... are you going to be doing any maintenance on the engine before you put it in? if so, make sure you figure that into your costs.

 

this is something i've been considering as well, but i keep going back and forth between the swap and a f22 turbo. both have their pros and cons, and both will be costly.

 

Well I know-for-a-fact that there is an H22 in the salvage yard right now by my house....

 

Yeah Touring,

I'm going to go ahead and do a new timing belt/waterpump/etc as well as new tranny fluid (i can do that myself now haha) and an oil change probably clean out the EGR valves as well.

I'm fairly sure I'll be going through with it, the quoted $2300 full swap with the P13 ecu seems like a good deal


and killeraccord - i hate your salvage yard lol

 

Since we're on the topic and I've been considering the swap for my cb7.
What happens to the F block being swapped out?
Can it be sold somewhere?

 

They're fairly cheap depressingly, like $300 bucks or so for everything lol.

Best bet is hope the shop can give you some discount or compensation for the motor or try to sell it online somewhere (ebay)

 

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http://www.noyanusa.com/ is one in VA that ive heard of</TD></TR></TABLE>

I just called them and they quoted me $1195 for the engine alone. Take it for what it's worth...

 

that would probably be correct boosted,

i got 2300 for the full swap with lsd tranny OBDII

 

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Best bet is hope the shop can give you some discount or compensation for the motor or try to sell it online somewhere (ebay)</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dang 300 for my old f22!
EEK!
That sucks.
lol

 

I was/still am in the same boat as you. My 94 accord coupe has 160k miles on the engine and chasis. The auto tranny was replaced at 130,000 with 30,000 miles on it. To make the story short, this car was NOT taken care of by the previous owner. Finding problems all over the car.

I thought of rebuilding my f22 but I was surfing ebay when I came across a USDM 93 H22A with only 90k miles on it. I snatched it up for $650 with $150 for shipping. It's a long block?? I don't really know if that's the correct term but, its got all the internals but no externals. I got a gasket kit for it and plan on taking to a machine shop to make sure everything is still in spec. I don't have experience with the extra power but if I'm not satisfied, I can always bolt some more stuff on.

But for now it sits in my garage until I have my second car's engine rebuilt. I figure I can have a USDM H22A with a manual swap for about $2500. Not bad condsidering I won't have to worry about japanese replacement parts and will have a very reliable car for under 5k total including the car. Keep surfing ebay and I'm sure a usdm h22 will show up. Just my $.02

 

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i got 2300 for the full swap with lsd tranny OBDII</TD></TR></TABLE>

obdII huh, if you gonna do upgrades, looking into swapping your ecu as well. so keep that in mind. well i take that back, unless newer versions out there can do obdII now. but most h22 swap converted to obdI. you got a descent price on your swap though. i am assuming its 5spd.

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area will vary. in places were the concentration of guys fixing up their rides, chances are slim to non in finding that engine in a junkyard.

 

People who say the swap is not worth it either expected a 10 sec car with their swap or have a used and abused H22 engine in their bay. Going fom a 16-17 sec car to 14-15 sec car is a huge diffrence. It's a lot of fun until you want more power...

 

It was with the P13 OBDII ECU so that's not an issue

and yeah I don't expect anything crazy results wise, but the LSD , extra horse, and extra torque it should be fun

 

yikes thats how much that swap goes for.... gotta love cali, i got mine for 1g.... there has been a lot of preludes in the junkyard also.....i also love my swap