YES!!!! I got my hondata installed today-- BUT --the clutch switch toddleflicker wasnt there, so he has to get one, and we are installing it on saturday. In the meantime, I plant to hit the dyno tomorrow(wednesday) or the day after that. my question is where have you put the botton?? I would like to not drill holes in my car, but if I must to make it look better I will. plese show pics of where you have put it. Thanks

 

hondata =

 

why do you say that???

 

its a piggyback system...im sure many honda-tech regulars have been able to utlize it successfully...but overall it sucks compared to a standalone system...but hey if you want to go with hondata then 2 u..dont let me get in your way.

 

just a ?, how much is the hodata system? because i know if i had the choice i would go stand alone

 

if you hvae obd1 its somewhat cheaper..if you have obd2 its almost the same. dont really want to get into the details..but i would go AEM EMS anyday over hondata. but for most "racers" an AUTHORIZED hondata dealer will do.

 

I got a stage 3 for 400

 

obd 1 right..and what are you pullin at the track/dyno..thats all that matters.

 

I will tell you tomorrow, or wednesday when I gte my car dynoed. do you know n e tracks around southern california. I have been wanting to get to a track.

 

Here is what I know, based on experience (having tested and tuned many managment systems on many different makes of cars):

"Standalone Engine Managment": A microprocessor or discrete component based control unit that recieves all of its inputs directly from an engines sensors, calculates the necessary output requirements (on its own), and sends all of its outputs directly to the engines drivers (injectors, ignition module, VTEC, IAB, etc...). Standalone systems do NOT require any external components to recieve or send input or output signals, unless there are saleable options that can be added.

"Piggyback Engine Managment": A microprocessor or discrete component based control unit that modifys input signals to (or output signals from) a standalone engine managment system. In either case, a piggyback unit will not cause an engine to run on its own.

Now, I read the term "Hybrid" here in refrence to the Hondata system. That's fine for now. Just bear in mind that the Hondata box is not in the input/output stream and does not interpret or change the input or output signals. It does, however, provide the user ability to change parameters that directly affect the microprocessor calculations (IE fuel and ignition maps, among others). This leaves the ECU to run as a standalone unit.

The Hondata external box is connected to Denshikigens factory engineered IO port that originally allowed the Honda engineers to communicate with the *standalone* processor during program execution (for tuning purposes). Hondata played mix and match with the internal data map and uses this port only to protect the Hondata from being hacked. Call it standalone or call it hybrid.. I don't care. But call it inferior to any other standalone system for VTEC systems and you are a Fuc*ing RETARD.... PERIOD.

Go ahead (anyone) and name one other standalone system that allows you to map every ignition and fuel point for BOTH cam profiles at *every* RPM. You can't get that with the PMS, it isn't provided with the Haltech, and even most Motec don't deliver that kind of multicam support (at 5 times the price).

There is only one company (Honda) that has ever supplied the market with a proper engine managment for VTEC engines. Since then, only two companies (Hondata and Zdyne) have provided the market with a fully programmable version of that proper system. We have yet to see if the AEM unit stacks up.

My experience, my thoughts... Blah to the rest.

 

thanks allot--- you gave soo much "juicy" info. thanks for the reply!!!

thanks

 

art

i just left the button with the blue box inside the glove box .. it's not like i push the button every day

 

arturbo..i have seen what you have provided and given for all the honda-tech members...it is pointless for me to get into a battle about the parameters of engine management systems w/ u online. I totally see where youre comin from tho so dont get me wrong. Ive talked to u on aol thru IM and i hope you kno where im comin from too...but to say the AEM EMS only beats HONDATA through vtec engagement points is kind of ridiculous to me....if people want to buy hondata then let it be..if people want to see more parameters...let them choose what they want..that is all that i am saying. but if you want to talk thru IM or email..then feel free to choose either one..we can discuss the merits and advantages of either hondata or AEM or MOTEC if you would like.

 

so what's a GOOD standalone fuel managment system out there?
what brand ? and how much?