<FONT COLOR="purple">Ok so i always see questions like "What company makes company A's damper or shock in company B's coilover system?" I have searched and it can get pretty time consuming trying to find the answers. I dont know if companies want it to be known who makes certain parts for their product but i think consumers want to know. I have searched and I can not find a thread like this so it will be nice if this could be stickied if there Is no such thread. I would like to see if they are made in house or outsourced. I will create a list here depending on the answers. Some sort of confirmation would be nice to support the answers as well </FONT>

(example: Q: who manufactures the shocks in Amuse's coil-over system? A: Bilstein (last i checked))


Amuse Hi-Tech damper = <FONT COLOR="green">( Bilstein )</FONT>
H&R = <FONT COLOR="green">( Bilstein ) mostly </FONT>
H&R Cup kit = <FONT COLOR="green">( Koni )</FONT>
Spoon = <FONT COLOR="green">( Showa )</FONT>
Tanabe = <FONT COLOR="green">( KYB )</FONT>
Ksport = <FONT COLOR="green">(Toser)</FONT>
Nex = <FONT COLOR="green">(Toser)</FONT>


Modified by JDM knowledge at 10:02 AM 6/11/2007


Modified by JDM knowledge at 2:53 PM 7/27/2007

 

Just a thought: If the manufacturer won't tell you, what makes you think you will get a straight/correct answer from anyone else? What sort of confirmation or support are you looking for, and from whom?

I'm not bashing on what you are trying to do, I agree that consumers should be able to get an accurate idea of what they are buying, and so I will give them this information openly when asked, and it is stated in our brochures and website as well.

But these are some other important points to consider. It's important to check your sources, and H-T isn't exactly the best place to get specific information like this.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PIC Performance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just a thought: If the manufacturer won't tell you, what makes you think you will get a straight/correct answer from anyone else? What sort of confirmation or support are you looking for, and from whom?

I'm not bashing on what you are trying to do, I agree that consumers should be able to get an accurate idea of what they are buying, and so I will give them this information openly when asked, and it is stated in our brochures and website as well.

But these are some other important points to consider. It's important to check your sources, and H-T isn't exactly the best place to get specific information like this. </TD></TR></TABLE>im just trying to compile a place where people can go to see who makes what. I havent tried calling manufactures and asking then who makes their stuff before but i know alot of people have posed this question at one point. Even if some are already disclosed...where is the information in one spot? If there is one let me know cause im curious. its just similar to the shock dynos.

 

H&R uses a lot of blistien dampers/shocks. They in no way shape or form try and keep it quite though

 

H&R cup kit= koni

tanabe coilovers =kyb

 

It'd be nice to have, but I don't think that information is readily available on the intardweb.

As an aside, if you ever have an opportunity to get your hands on a Tuner/Vendor Magazines from Taiwan, you should take a look. It's not so much a magazine as it is a vendor guide. Think the Tirerack section in the back of C&D, x gazillion vendors. You'd be surprised how familiar most of that stuff seems, and then you'd have a good idea of who might be making what for who, or at least a good idea of where to start asking questions (hope your mandarin isn't too rusty).

It's a crazy mixed up industry!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PIC Performance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It'd be nice to have, but I don't think that information is readily available on the intardweb.

As an aside, if you ever have an opportunity to get your hands on a Tuner/Vendor Magazines from Taiwan, you should take a look. It's not so much a magazine as it is a vendor guide. Think the Tirerack section in the back of C&D, x gazillion vendors. You'd be surprised how familiar most of that stuff seems, and then you'd have a good idea of who might be making what for who, or at least a good idea of where to start asking questions (hope your mandarin isn't too rusty).

It's a crazy mixed up industry!</TD></TR></TABLE>HAHA WORD THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PIC Performance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I'm not bashing on what you are trying to do, I agree that consumers should be able to get an accurate idea of what they are buying, and so I will give them this information openly when asked, and it is stated in our brochures and website as well. </TD></TR></TABLE>

This comment intrigued me and I went to your website and look for the info to no avail. Can you direct me to such info?

 

lol i forgot about this thread.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Andrie Hartanto &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

This comment intrigued me and I went to your website and look for the info to no avail. Can you direct me to such info?</TD></TR></TABLE>

You must not have checked the tab that says "Information".

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PIC Performance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You must not have checked the tab that says "Information". </TD></TR></TABLE>

My question is not who makes some of the dampers, but what do the end sellers like PIC specify in terms of damping? It's relatively easy to find damper manufacturers in the far east, but these manufacturers seem to be just manufacturers and not really in the business of specifying damping. Some of the damper plots I've seen would not work too well for racing due to either progressive high speed damping (leading to harshness and loss of tire adhesion) or the knee from low speed to high speed damping is in the wrong place leading to other handling gremlins. In addition, each click should modify the damping curve enough for the driver to tell that the damping was changed.

 

most of the ebay stuff is made by toser in taiwan.

ksport, nex,

http://www.toser.com.tw


i forget the name of the "coilovers".

Who makes buddy club?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SilverDc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">most of the ebay stuff is made by toser in taiwan.

ksport, nex,

http://www.toser.com.tw


i forget the name of the "coilovers".

Who makes buddy club?</TD></TR></TABLE>good info thanks!

 

bcec.com.tw
their coilovers look similar to buddy clubs,

isc-coilover.com
they also make custom coilovers.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PIC Performance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You must not have checked the tab that says "Information". </TD></TR></TABLE>

and did, and didn't see any mention of it really. You say were you get your metal, and what kinda of oil but that is it.

 

There's only so much you can put on the website, or in a brochure.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PIC Performance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's only so much you can put on the website, or in a brochure. </TD></TR></TABLE>

ummmm Ok then why did you say the information about the manufacturing of your dampers was on the site and in the borchure when it is not.

 

There is information there, that is not all of it. Again, there's only so much I'm going to be putting on the website and the brochure, and when people ask, I give details. The website and the brochures are advertisements, not explanations.

Think of how many people will understand what I put on there, and think of how complex some of it might be to explain, and think of (from my viewpoint) what is worth putting up there in the name of advertisement and generating interest, and what is not. You might want to know every single thing and understand every single thing, but for every one of you there is 50 people just looking for eye candy, and the purpose of that is to attract them to PIC so I can answer more questions.

 

I don't disagree with what you said at all. But you gave the impression that there was a lot more info on the site then were you purchase your metal from.

 

Indeed, there is not a whole lot on the page, but there is a lot of info.

 

good info...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't disagree with what you said at all. But you gave the impression that there was a lot more info on the site then were you purchase your metal from.
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Well, I guess as a manufacturer you've got to keep some information confidential. The really important technical data is comprised in the dyno charts for the most part. On top of that, I would want to know that the dampers won't explode once I begin to run race-spec. spring rates and what's the stroke so I know at my ride height what will be the droop. Also, does the manufacturer offer tunable bump rubbers ("silastos" as mentioned in Carrol Smith's books). In addition, what about spring preload capability? I don't and wouldn't run preload on any damper unless I had to for reasons of too little stroke (i.e. this is how we got the Tein N1's to work somewhat better than they worked without preload). Of course, with my Koni 3011, I have so much droop that I run a tender and helper spring to keep everything tight at full droop.

On the other hand, I don't place very much value to when the average driver (especially those with only very limited track time) reports that the shock/spring package feels good for a particular application. Very few drivers, even at the pro level, can give good feedback as to what is happening on track where you could actually de-couple the driver's style from the mechanical aspects of the suspension. For example, If a driver tends to overspeed the entrance to the corner in question and reports back that the car has a entry push, well guess what? Sure, that's what its going to do - understeer like a pig if the suspension was actually set up properly for the correct entrance speed and turn in point. The same goes for a driver who turns in too early or too late and reports back the car is doing this or that. How can I as the engineer make some change to the car that will work better when the driver is inducing the handling problems? Sure, I could take tire temperatures and pressures and look at tire wear and other things (e.g. damper deflection plots from the data system) but even these have their limitations.

So, as a manufacturer, it would be good to educate your customers on what the suspension is supposed to do. Not everyone who sets up their suspension knows what to look for to make their car work better. And, if the manufacture does supply this information and the customer uses this information to improve how his/her car responds, guess what? You will have a happier base of customers that will aid in your marketing efforts when they tell their friends how wonderful their car handles.



Modified by Johnny Mac at 7:07 PM 7/28/2007

 

bump for more info.