I have a 96 GSR swapped Teg.
It has I/E and chip and i was looking for some opinions on my next performance upgrade? In my opinion it really needs some low and mid range power. . .
also its getting like 26MPG when im driving it nice and about 20MPG when im not and its running real rich. . . .was thinking it might be an O2 sensor or a plugged cat?
thanks

 

for the gas mileage, yeah, try that o2 sensor first. i don't know what I/E means... intake and exhaust? anywho, if u already have those then do header. and if u already have that, then u can take that cat off, lol. or just get a high flow. or maybe a short shifter to possibly knock another 1/10th of a second off ur quarter mile times. or even lower it, cuz that does help quarter mile times as well, believe it or not, tho not much. if your seeking horses... then maybe the skunk2 IM with a 62mm type R throttle body and take the IM to a machine shop to port match it to the TB. that could gain u a little power... as far as anything else, i think you'd have to do some major upgrade to get a significant power gain.
o, and also. mugen head gasket to add .4 to ur compression ratio. i dunno how much power that would gain u, but i'm guessing noticeable. but a change to the CR means u have to tune it too, which wouldn't be a bad idea, u can always pull a few hidden horses out with a tune.

 

To make it easier, toss some cams and tune.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ziggz501 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">for the gas mileage, yeah, try that o2 sensor first. i don't know what I/E means... intake and exhaust? anywho, if u already have those then do header. and if u already have that, then u can take that cat off, lol. or just get a high flow. or maybe a short shifter to possibly knock another 1/10th of a second off ur quarter mile times. or even lower it, cuz that does help quarter mile times as well, believe it or not, tho not much. if your seeking horses... then maybe the skunk2 IM with a 62mm type R throttle body and take the IM to a machine shop to port match it to the TB. that could gain u a little power... as far as anything else, i think you'd have to do some major upgrade to get a significant power gain.
o, and also. mugen head gasket to add .4 to ur compression ratio. i dunno how much power that would gain u, but i'm guessing noticeable. but a change to the CR means u have to tune it too, which wouldn't be a bad idea, u can always pull a few hidden horses out with a tune.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Thanks for spiting out a bunch of random ideas that you've read about and don't have any other information about...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Project95LS-VTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To make it easier, toss some cams and tune.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes...lets simply "toss" some cams in there

You want low to mid range power out of a 1.8l engine? Besides getting a small turbo, good luck.
What kind of "chip" are you running? If its some generic "mugen" one then that's your problem with mpg. It dumps a lot of fuel...

You haven't mentioned how much "performance" you want, how much u have to spend, and probably don't understand a lot about a small 1.8l engine in regards to low end power.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Project95LS-VTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To make it easier, toss some cams and tune.</TD></TR></TABLE>

x2, also depends how much power the the OP wants, and from aftermarket cams or oem cams, if oem, go with ITR or CTR cams, tune and call it a day.

 

what other information do i need to say? i think the point of all my rambling was to give the OP some ideas of whats out there so he can look into it himself. thats what ppl do right? they look into things before they do it right? did u want me to tell him that getting a throttle body thats 2 mm bigger than his stock wouldn't do anything, so go ahead and take the intake he gets as well to the machine shop and ask them to port match it so it can take on the extra air flow? did u want me to tell him that it wouldn't exactly be a great gain in power doing that unless he had some head work done as well? and then move to the bottom end? did u also want me to tell him that the fact that the mugen head gasket is thinner than an oem head gasket is the reason behind the change in compression? and the fact that u have to tune if u change compression or else u run to lean on the stock tune causing your pistons to expand and the skirts rubbing along the sides of the combustion chamber and ur rings mess up and tada your burning a quart of oil a week? i dunno what ur problem is, but i'm actually trying to help the OP by giving him some ideas. to go look into. he didn't give prices or power gain ideas so i gave a wide variety of ideas in a short paragraph. now that i've made a nice lengthier paragraph about what some of theses upgrade do, why not give him the prices so he has to do absolutely no research and just has to come back to this post so he can decide what his next upgrade will be... somewhere around $350 for a slightly larger throttle body, unless u find a used one. the intake manifold would be around $250 and then a port match... prolly not much. go ask ur local machine shop. mugen head gasket? less than $150. tune to go with it? can run as high as $150 an hour, but prolly less than that at most places. short shifter as much as $150 and as little as $30, wide variety here, u get what u pay for. springs and shocks upgrade will run less than $500. coilovers instead will run over $700. the others mentioned cams. if u get cams you're most likely gonna get more top end power. the CTR intake cam can give 6-8 extra horses. and u can get it for under $300. now u just need to find someone to put it in, unless you want to yourself. u can just go with a set of third party cams like skunk2. stage one they say u don't require any other upgrade, but i've heard that u still can get a mild case of valve float if u don't upgrade the springs. if u go stage 2, u can expect to upgrade the springs and retainers. cams by skunk2 are pricey tho, they should run less than $700. a spring and retainer kit can run around $400. tada! there u go, pretty much everything u can do besides forced induction and building ur motor over again. i hope this gives u some ideas that u can look further into. sorry for the long post.

 

i agree with the chip most likely being the mpg problem.

 

yeah i was thinking on a set of comp cams. i have a chip that one of my buddy's burned off a prpgram, its just a mild performance chip nothing too special. im trying to decide whether to turbo charge it or supercharge it because around here there are hardly any turbo charged hondas and definetly 0 suprcharged hondas. the supercharger would help me out with my low and mid but rob my MPG. and i plan on getting the head ported and putting in all forged ITR internals when i get the money for it. the suspension is done with coil over and tokico struts. . .already hit that department up before i put it on the road so there are worries coming fomr there at the moment.

 

well, turbo is definitely what this board will tell u to do. u can build ur own turbo set up off of used parts found all over the net, and sometimes ppl build them, use them for a lil while and sell them here on honda-tech. u can prolly build one urself for less than $1500. i dun know about used superchargers, dun really hear about them, but the jrsc is $2250 for the gsr. of course when u force induct u need a lil more fuel so that u don't run lean and of course a tune. u have to keep in mind that the turbo will b spoolin too when ur going down the interstate, so gas mileage goes down there too, but all together the turbo prolly will give u all around better gas mileage. i would start by choosing a FI set up, then move to cams and bottom end building. u can't get regular performance cams and run FI, cuz they will throw boost right out the exhaust, so it's better just to wait till u got ur FI and then throw on some turbo cams. and before moving on to bottom end building, make sure u read some articles, including this:
http://www.importbuilders.com/breakinarticle.htm
but anyway, look into both and what all u will need.

 

Paragraphs please. I would do a 50 shot nitrous if i were you...cheap and wont harm anything if done correctly....more fuel is key.

 

Cams + cam gears + Pulleys.

 

that stupid "chip" is what's causing your bad gas mileage....it runs open loop all the time which people think makes the car faster.....waste of time IMO

 

I agree. the more power you make the more gas you will use. the chip will cut gas mileage up up hp. along with every other mod you do for more HP.

 

[QUOTE=there are hardly and turbo hondas [/QUOTE]

Dude get a grip

 

the "chip" is why its running rich

 

yeah i def. agree that the chip is the fuel prob... but you need to decide what route you want to go ... fi , n20 or allmotor... and then set a goal ( with in reach) and a budget that will satisfy your goal ... and make sure to save 500-1000 for tuning .. that is the key...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ziggz501 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, turbo is definitely what this board will tell u to do. u can build ur own turbo set up off of used parts found all over the net, and sometimes ppl build them, use them for a lil while and sell them here on honda-tech. u can prolly build one urself for less than $1500. i dun know about used superchargers, dun really hear about them, but the jrsc is $2250 for the gsr. of course when u force induct u need a lil more fuel so that u don't run lean and of course a tune. u have to keep in mind that the turbo will b spoolin too when ur going down the interstate, so gas mileage goes down there too, but all together the turbo prolly will give u all around better gas mileage. i would start by choosing a FI set up, then move to cams and bottom end building. u can't get regular performance cams and run FI, cuz they will throw boost right out the exhaust, so it's better just to wait till u got ur FI and then throw on some turbo cams. and before moving on to bottom end building, make sure u read some articles, including this:
http://www.importbuilders.com/breakinarticle.htm
but anyway, look into both and what all u will need.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Unless the turbo is tiny, it shouldn't spool during city or highway driving unless you rev to say 4500 between each gear...you'll stay out of boost as long as you stay civil with your driving.

Truthfully, with any generic ECU tune, you will see gas milage going down unless you're running lean, then your engine is in danger. With your current setup, you don't really need a tune, so I'd suggest changing back to the stock ECU if you still have it.

Power options are really hard. It all depends on the money you want to spend. As was stated before, your best bet would be piecing together a turbo kit from used parts. They're all over the place. I've got some stuff I no longer use that will be going for sale pretty soon if you're interested Plus, with a turbo setup, you are only limited by your pockets in how much power you have.

Superchargers also are an option, but your upgrade path is a lot more limited, since you really can't go past a certain peak power gain. You can't just throw a bigger supercharger, tune, and get more power...but a mild setup, superchargers are pretty useful power-adders.

Study up

 

definetly. my MPG isnt as bad as my truck it just feels like it because it only has the 10 gallon tank im averaging 25-30mpg as of today. so i cant really complain. my budget is fairly open because i dont have that i spend my money. . .as long as i save it. . .my shitty paying job doesnt help. so really ill go for anything. . . just might take longer just want a good running fast car. haha. im starting to research a lot more but i really need a good site thats not selling me crap so any good quality site links would be sweet.

 

well, just to buy turbo kits and such u can go to just about any of the big sites like summitracing.com, nopi.com, modacar.com etc. there are also sites where u can piece together ur own stuff with new parts, like atpturbo.com laskeyracing.com and i'm sure there are others... but of course don't forget about ebay and the marketplace here.
http://www.d-series.org/forums...14212 this is a good article on piecing together ur own turbo. sure it's d-series but who cares... u can turbo a lawnmower if u want, it's all the same...
as for suprcharging, i suppose if u spend a decent penny on header, intake and stuff that requires u to take off because of the turbo then... yeah, u may want to supercharge instead. not much i can tell ya here, u pretty much buy it and follow the intstructions to install it. jackson racing is the usual here, but vortech engineering makes some too, but i dunno if there's much info available on them cuz most everyone uses JR.
nitrous, $600 and ur in... but there are other things u should do to take precautions...
i'd say check out team-integra.com there's a ton of info on just about anything u want to do performance wise. and they're all in articles, no searching required, u just have to read thru the list to find what u want.