My class was cancel today so I am just sitting here and cruising HT. I went to the Suspension Forum and spotted a good amount of positive feedbacks on these AMR Engineer Coilovers. https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=5 . However, non of these feed back was from a R owner. So, Is anyone in here riding these in their R, or got any suggestion or comments for these? I am really looking for a new set of suspension but I do not have the budget for Tein Flex or RA. If these beats OEM. I am ready for it.

 

From one R owner to another... they'd never go on my caR

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Team Bukkake Sucks!!! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SHOCK DYNO REQUEST # 2</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AMR Engineering &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No dyno's. We only include dynos to a few of our customers after we have spoken with them over the phone to see if they can even understand what they are looking at. Also if they truly have a specific custom application that requires it. There are a few customers on here with ND shock dyno's of our product which we included for them. The standard around here seems to be the Roehrig. </TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Team Bukkake Sucks!!! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i know what i am looking at...I would like to see a shock dyno please</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Team Bukkake Sucks!!! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i called and left a message last monday. I requested a shock dyno. I havent received a call back yet</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AMR Engineering &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll have to look for one since it's the customer that usually gets them. My stuff is all packed and being shipped to the Philppines. I will have to see if I have any on my laptop. I think I only recall 1 dyno on my laptop, but it was only dyno's of our first 3 clicks, and our software is in Chinese btw. </TD></TR></TABLE>


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GarageAlchemist &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what country are these made in ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AMR Engineering &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Depends on what part, but right now I am waiting for my shipment from my place in the Philippines which is where I am from and were my main office is located. Final assembly is done here in the USA, as well as servicing any coilovers for our customers. </TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL.

 

i totally missed the part they are made in the philippines and seller ignoring shock dyno since there were like 20 pages and i skim through most of it good heads up. I am not going to spend 900 dollar for philippines suspensions. No offense regarding to race

 

i live in the philippines, i've never heard of anybody manufacturing suspensions over here

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by an2ny888 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i live in the philippines, i've never heard of anybody manufacturing suspensions over here </TD></TR></TABLE>

I wouldn't think it would be publicly advertised over there since its most likely assembled by kids

 

I've had your average joe suspension, somewhat decent suspension and 'race suspension'

I will never again have shitty average joe suspension. Dont waste your money.

 

I talked to the owner of AMR regarding a coilover setup for my 2006 TSX.

I decided to stop looking in to making a purchase after our conversation.

He states that each setup is "custom" made for each customer's application and desired goal. i.e ride quality vs performance.

I then told him I was seeking a minimal gain in performance and a minimal loss in ride quality. This would usually lead to someone suggesting lower spring rates and different valving for the damper. He suggested 9k/6k.

Just to test him out, I told him that I may want to track my car on a full time basis and wanted all out performance with no concern regarding ride quality. I asked what spring rates and valving he would set me up with for this scenario, he stated 9k/6k.

I did not get in to it with him regarding how that is complete BS but, I think the entire custom thing is not what it seems, he pulls the same damper and spring for every application. 10 customers respond to his questions about what they want and they all get the same exact spec.

I ended up going with Tanabe's for the TSX.

 

Koala's reply alone would steer me away from dealing with them. I am overly particular about the parts i buy, the people i deal with, and the repuatations they must have. I am not impressed and would discourage you from purchasing anything from them.

 

I actually considered these coilovers last year. Glad I waited for my Spoons

 

For the price range you're looking at I'd seriously reccomend looking at Koni Sport shocks and Ground Control coilovers. You can chose your own spring rates, lifetime warranty and its a very proven setup. I ran it for about year and a half and would go back in a heartbeat (on Mugen 5-way adj suspension right now).

 

^^^^Agreed. For a $1000USD-ish budget the Koni/GC package is almost untouchable. Especially if you consider the alternatives like F2/FunctionForm, D2, KSport, AMR &lt;*chuckles*&gt;, Omni, etc.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by white rocket &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^^^^Agreed. For a $1000USD-ish budget the Koni/GC package is almost untouchable. Especially if you consider the alternatives like F2/FunctionForm, D2, KSport, AMR &lt;*chuckles*&gt;, Omni, etc. </TD></TR></TABLE>

After just installing the GC, Koni setup on my bucket with Rodney, I have a strong point of view about them and the price range they address. For that price range, they can be a good setup. So far I'm happy with mine but have not tracked them yet. Albeit they have been corner weighted and aligned properly and to my specs.

BUT, they are a compromise. There is fabrication required. The instructions included with both the GC and Koni setups are unclear to vague at best.

If you are not mechanically inclined, or don't have the proper tools and place to work and at least a moderate knowledge of what exactly it is you're doing, I'd suggest something else. I don't know what, maybe PIC although I'm not fond of them really which is why I went the GC/Koni route.

It will take me time to see how the car handles. I might swap in different spring rates. In the future though and for suggested ease of installation for other newb's I'd choose a well made package. Unfortunately I don't have the budget nor do I know exactly what I'd really want. So I just went with something tried and true.

I'll let everyone know how it does at Expo.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">After just installing the GC, Koni setup on my bucket with Rodney, I have a strong point of view about them and the price range they address. For that price range, they can be a good setup. So far I'm happy with mine but have not tracked them yet. Albeit they have been corner weighted and aligned properly and to my specs.

BUT, they are a compromise. There is fabrication required. The instructions included with both the GC and Koni setups are unclear to vague at best.

If you are not mechanically inclined, or don't have the proper tools and place to work and at least a moderate knowledge of what exactly it is you're doing, I'd suggest something else. I don't know what, maybe PIC although I'm not fond of them really which is why I went the GC/Koni route.

It will take me time to see how the car handles. I might swap in different spring rates. In the future though and for suggested ease of installation for other newb's I'd choose a well made package. Unfortunately I don't have the budget nor do I know exactly what I'd really want. So I just went with something tried and true.

I'll let everyone know how it does at Expo.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Care to elaborate? I always thought it was more of a 'plug and play' sort of system...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AamirCWITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
He states that each setup is "custom" made for each customer's application and desired goal. i.e ride quality vs performance.


Just to test him out, I told him that I may want to track my car on a full time basis and wanted all out performance with no concern regarding ride quality. I asked what spring rates and valving he would set me up with for this scenario, he stated 9k/6k.

I did not get in to it with him regarding how that is complete BS but, I think the entire custom thing is not what it seems, he pulls the same damper and spring for every application. 10 customers respond to his questions about what they want and they all get the same exact spec.

I ended up going with Tanabe's for the TSX.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hahaha. That guy you dealt with is a friggin ricer that gives the same patent answer to all his cusotmers, probably because most of them are likely ricers that wouldn't know the correct answer anyway.

My track only set up is 22k rear and 17k front on shocks capable of easily exceeding those rates. Custom valving is expensive and not achievable in the $1,000 range for 4 shocks. I first had custom valved Koni yellows with 16k(r)/11k(f) springs and they were OK but cost a whole lot more than $1,000 for the set 6 years ago.

 

After riding in a few cars only on the street with Koni / ground control I can say I was utterly unimpressed.

They seemed bouncy to me and don't handle large impacts well.

I would save money and get Zeal's or something similar.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AamirCWITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">After riding in a few cars only on the street with Koni / ground control I can say I was utterly unimpressed.
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Unfortunately this is my experience as well.
Regardless of how many good reviews people have given on the OTS Koni/GC setup, I found that there are better options out there.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AamirCWITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">After riding in a few cars only on the street with Koni / ground control I can say I was utterly unimpressed.

They seemed bouncy to me and don't handle large impacts well.

I would save money and get Zeal's or something similar.

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I cant comment on Wai's post, because there are generally two schools of theory on suspension setups for Hondas when it comes to roadracing, however I'm a little curious how you can say such a vauge and rather uneducated statement concerning the Konis/GC when you were not only on the street, but never driven or even raced on them...

On track experience&gt;street experience&gt;riding in cars with suspension vs actually driving them = no knowledge anyway.

I did at least 10 HPDEs, at five different tracks across the country over the course of one year and can say that to this day I'm more impressed with OTS Konis and GCs with specified rates than I am of my Mugen 5-ways (showa dampers!). I got some nice remarks last year at expo as well.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by junkyard racer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Care to elaborate? I always thought it was more of a 'plug and play' sort of system...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your definition of "plug & play" might be different than mine.

The Koni SPSS/GC setup I have, required taking the stock suspension apart, taking the bushings out of the stock ITR top hats and redrilling them to fit the Koni shock. Then reassembling with extremely vague to poor instructions from both companies. The GC picture showed reassembling the new setup after cutting the stock dust boot then utilizing the supplied GC black poly bushing that was both poorly constructed (crappy tolerences, 1 of the 4 bushings was actually visibly uneven) and doesn't properly seat into the stock top hats and made corner weighting impossible.

Our solution was to remove the whole suspension again, remove the crappy GC poly bushings and just run spring to top hat. When we took the whole setup apart, we noticed that 3 of the 4 dust boots that we had cut to GC's spec and reinstalled as per the vague instructions had gotten crunched, so we removed them as well, so now the setup it solely the GC/Eibach - collar/spring mated with the Koni SPSS shock and modified OEM top hat.

I dealt with and had helpful discussions from both Chris Shenefield at Redshift motorsports and Lee Grimes (CRXLee) of Koni NA. Several of our issues were discussed and of course eventually solved.

I just feel after the install and the snaggs and issues we had that they are most definitely Not a plug and play suspension nor would I completely suggest them to others looking for said "Plug & Play" suspension. For the price so far they seem like a good deal, performance remains to be proven, but for certain they are a compromise when it comes to ease and simplicity especially for a total Newb or installer with basic knowledge, tools and ability.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KOALA YUMMIES &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


I did at least 10 HPDEs, at five different tracks across the country over the course of one year and can say that to this day I'm more impressed with OTS Konis and GCs with specified rates than I am of my Mugen 5-ways (showa dampers!). I got some nice remarks last year at expo as well. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Which Mugen setup do you have? They make several for the ITR.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Which Mugen setup do you have? They make several for the ITR.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The 5-way. Adjustable shocks, fixed spring (often incorrectly refered to as the "lowdowns"). Not the N1s or NZs.

The Konis/GCs I was running 400 lbs/in front, 500 lbs/in rear, with the GC top hats, and JDM ITR 23mm rear ani-roll bar.

 

Philippines? WTFFFFFFF. I would never put suspension made in the Philippines on my car.

 

if you're interested, i have a nice set of ITR Bilstein Sport shocks and a new GC coilover set. i'll check the spring rates.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KOALA YUMMIES &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The 5-way. Adjustable shocks, fixed spring (often incorrectly refered to as the "lowdowns"). Not the N1s or NZs.

The Konis/GCs I was running 400 lbs/in front, 500 lbs/in rear, with the GC top hats, and JDM ITR 23mm rear ani-roll bar.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok, then it does not surprise me that the GC/Koni setup was better. The 'lowdowns' are a good street suspension, but not so much on the track (as you found out).

I'd rather daily drive the Mugens though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Your definition of "plug & play" might be different than mine.

The Koni SPSS/GC setup I have, required taking the stock suspension apart, taking the bushings out of the stock ITR top hats and redrilling them to fit the Koni shock. Then reassembling with extremely vague to poor instructions from both companies. The GC picture showed reassembling the new setup after cutting the stock dust boot then utilizing the supplied GC black poly bushing that was both poorly constructed (crappy tolerences, 1 of the 4 bushings was actually visibly uneven) and doesn't properly seat into the stock top hats and made corner weighting impossible.

Our solution was to remove the whole suspension again, remove the crappy GC poly bushings and just run spring to top hat. When we took the whole setup apart, we noticed that 3 of the 4 dust boots that we had cut to GC's spec and reinstalled as per the vague instructions had gotten crunched, so we removed them as well, so now the setup it solely the GC/Eibach - collar/spring mated with the Koni SPSS shock and modified OEM top hat.

I dealt with and had helpful discussions from both Chris Shenefield at Redshift motorsports and Lee Grimes (CRXLee) of Koni NA. Several of our issues were discussed and of course eventually solved.

I just feel after the install and the snaggs and issues we had that they are most definitely Not a plug and play suspension nor would I completely suggest them to others looking for said "Plug & Play" suspension. For the price so far they seem like a good deal, performance remains to be proven, but for certain they are a compromise when it comes to ease and simplicity especially for a total Newb or installer with basic knowledge, tools and ability.</TD></TR></TABLE>

here here

I felt the same way about the koni/ gc setup... sure it may perform well once installed, but what a PITA to go through all the instructions and try to figure out wtf to do to get them on the car what with all the washers and spacers and misc pieces that you may or may not use if you also have gc sleeves.....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KOALA YUMMIES &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I cant comment on Wai's post, because there are generally two schools of theory on suspension setups for Hondas when it comes to roadracing, however I'm a little curious how you can say such a vauge and rather uneducated statement concerning the Konis/GC when you were not only on the street, but never driven or even raced on them...

On track experience&gt;street experience&gt;riding in cars with suspension vs actually driving them = no knowledge anyway.

I did at least 10 HPDEs, at five different tracks across the country over the course of one year and can say that to this day I'm more impressed with OTS Konis and GCs with specified rates than I am of my Mugen 5-ways (showa dampers!). I got some nice remarks last year at expo as well. </TD></TR></TABLE>


I did include in my post that I only rode on the street with them as a passenger. I don't see why you think a passenger's evaluation of a car's ride quality is meaningless.

In my opinion a suspension should be good on the street and the track.

My Zeal Function S setup when compared to Koni's on a rather short ride along on is much smoother and composed during city driving. It literally felt like the car was oscillating constantly on the Konis'.

I cannot comment on "on track" comparisons since I've never sat in or driven with Koni's on the track.

I can't imagine I'd like that feeling at speed on small undulations though. I do know that my Zeals are super composed on the track.