I am considering swapping a F22 DOHC motor in my 96 Accord LX. I can get it for cheap and it's different so why not! My question is, where can I find basic replacement parts such as timing belt, waterpump, seals and such. I want to give it a good run-down before I install it. Also while it's there and all tore apart, what about some upgrades. Maybe some cams or at least cam gears. What about a header, what will fit with maybe a few modifications downstream? Anything I should watch out for doing this swap? Pretty straightforward like a H22? Any help would be great.

Thanks,
John

 

You can use everything off the prelude h23 non vtec motor. Except the crank,pistons and rods are diffrent since its stroked 1/10 of a liter more.

 

hey, my mind was on a topic similar to this earlier. I got a 95 accord and was thinking, can I swap to a DOHC top end? Does that make sense?

Who's the noob? right here.

 

It bolts right up to your f series block.. there have been many post on these topics before.

-E

 

cool. is it worth the money?

 

Deffinatly, 160 hp non-vtec is good in my book.

-E

 

well i have preformed this swap . many times, and im wondering where your getting 160hp on a nonvtec motor. f22 block with h23 head does nothing unless your planning on boosting. My f22,h23 boosted at 12psi is getting 233 whp. thats with sleeves and forged internals. and the head has seen atleast 2000.00 in it. but i have been dyno tuned NA with the h23 head before i boosted and saw 124 to the wheel , stock 95 accord only gets 99 to the wheel. I know this because i am at a dyno shop on a frequent basis. There great motors to play with but why lose the vtec unless you have a turbo in mind . the swap doesnt change anything , just gives a little more low to mid range torque. thats only from the h23 intake manifold. why go through all the trouble . when you can just throw the intake on your vtec head and get the same results. also to think about it is swapping n a h22 if you want dohc. bolt right up and tranny will to , you pay about 2-300 more but get the 180whp tuned to 202whp

 

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I'm not going to pretend to know anything about swaping parts from one engine to another. I'll just answer your question about the 160 HP. The JDM F22B that came in the 92 Prelude Si has 160 hp stock. That's where you get the 160 Hp out of a non-VTEC DOHC.

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F22B

Specifications

Bore × Stroke: 85.0 × 95.0 mm
Displacement: 2156 cc
Valve Configuration: DOHC, 16 valves
Compression ratio: 9.3:1
Max power: 160 hp @ 6000 rpm
Max torque: 148 ft·lbf @ 5000 rpm </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

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I'm not going to pretend to know anything about swaping parts from one engine to another. I'll just answer your question about the 160 HP. The JDM F22B that came in the 92 Prelude Si has 160 hp stock. That's where you get the 160 Hp out of a non-VTEC DOHC.

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Yes, the JDM Prelude F22 is what i'm talking about. Not head swappin a H23 or a H22. 160hp stock. Now, where would I find replacement parts???? This is not a Hp war, i just wanna get some parts!

Thankyou

 

Didn't mean to start a swap/Hp war I hear yeah with the parts locating.... I'm looking for JDM F22B OEM as well. If you find a place be sure to post where. I will do the same if I can find them. I'm just looking for the pistons, rod and main bearings.

 

you can use the same crank,pistons, rods, bearings and any other bottom end parts from any f22. The h23/f23 pistons,rods,and crank are diffrent, so there a no go.

To answer both the OP's and GhostAccord's question,

Any part from the h23 head will work with the f22b head.

And any f22 bottom end internal parts are inter-changable with the jdm f22b dohc.

Bottom end internal parts from the h23 and f23 are also interchangeable.

Theres some great info on accordinglydone.com about these swaps and motors.
Im doing a head swap once i get enough money for the head, Main/rod bearings, pistons/rings etc.

-Eric

 

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In the stats on accoringlydone.com its showes the jdm f22b DOHC Non-Vtec has 160 horses. These numbers are CHP (crank Horsepower). When you do the math.. (15% avg. drive train loss depening on wheel/tire size) you get about 135 hp to the wheels. So your right about the 124 whp statement. When you were NA were you using a the stock ecu? I hear that when you run a 88-89 integra ecu you get more power out of it, because the base map is similar to the f22b ecu (tough as hell to come by).

-Eric

 

Thanks you covered my question

 

occasionally you can find a p39 from importers, but you have to ask around

 

i was using hondata s100 ecu.

 

ok so i understand that a H23 timing belt, cam gears and cam seals will work on a F22B DOHC engine. And the F22 (non vtec) waterpump, tensioners, springs and block seals will work on the F22B DOHC engine. Right?? or no go? I just want to be 100% sure before I go ordering parts and look dumb trying to get it to fit.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondaburner1995 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well i have preformed this swap . many times, and im wondering where your getting 160hp on a nonvtec motor. f22 block with h23 head does nothing unless your planning on boosting. My f22,h23 boosted at 12psi is getting 233 whp. thats with sleeves and forged internals. and the head has seen atleast 2000.00 in it. but i have been dyno tuned NA with the h23 head before i boosted and saw 124 to the wheel , stock 95 accord only gets 99 to the wheel. I know this because i am at a dyno shop on a frequent basis. There great motors to play with but why lose the vtec unless you have a turbo in mind . the swap doesnt change anything , just gives a little more low to mid range torque. thats only from the h23 intake manifold. why go through all the trouble . when you can just throw the intake on your vtec head and get the same results. also to think about it is swapping n a h22 if you want dohc. bolt right up and tranny will to , you pay about 2-300 more but get the 180whp tuned to 202whp </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not trying to threadjack, but you^ need to stop pissing me off.
Grammar = good
Shitty screen doors that burn my eyes = bad
Now. Seeing as a 95 accord is rated at 140 chp for the base model and puts down 99 to the wheels, how do you figure that a h22 rated (generously) at 200 hp is going to put down 180 to the wheels, untuned?

 

I wanted to know what ignition coil, wire, and sparkplugs will i need for an f22b engine???

 

Going through this same thing myself. Do all the F engines use the same lower end seals, waterpump, etc?

 

this thread is seriously old........


I recommend using f22a parts for everything below the head and h23 parts for the head. coil, you probably don't need. wires, h23. plugs, take your pick. I like to use ngk coppers personally cause they are cheep and work very well.

 

I guess what I'm asking is how much if any difference is there in the F22a and F22b2 engines. My 94 Accord has an F22b I'm replacing with an F22b dohc. I'm wondering if I can order seals, etc for the f22b2 or do I need to order for another year with an F22a. If so, what year/model? Thanks, kbud

 

I've done this swap. It was a pain trying to cross reference all of the parts but I got most of it figured out.
Timing Belt = 87 Dodge Caravan
Spark plug wires and rotor = 1994 integra LS
Distributor Cap = 1996 Accord EX w/ vtec
Water pump = 1992 Accord
headers = 1992-1995 Prelude SI
ECU = JDM p39 or a modded p15
Power steering hose from a 92-95 Prelude SI