can anyone enlighten my in any way possible as to how i could just fabricate something that would allow me to raise the ride of the back of my prelude. I have a set of neuspeed sport springs that i want to install, but i really dislike the fact that when installed, the rear of the car sits about 3/4 to 1 inch lower in the back compared to the bigger gap in the front. I just want to lift the back somehow buy installing something that could raise it in the rear just a bit.

any ideas i would greatly apprecaite, someone help please!!! lol

 

maybe insert something under the spring or between the top of the spring and the body?

i dont know what the preludes rear suspension looks like, so what i said may not be feasible.

ace hardware sells all manner of rubber washers and big rubber drain plugs, etc. im sure you could find something to sandwich in there.

 

Is it a coil over shock setup or a seperate setup?

I just had a couple of sets of spacers made for VW/Audi aplications but they should fit anything that has a standard 2.5" spring dimension (kind of the standard for coiloers and lots of ends of springs not always the center) They are designed specificaly to fit the adjustable perches when you do coilovers onthe later VW/Audis that have a seperate spring/shock in the rear. The adjustable perch they include usually doesn't allow the rear end to go high enough. I had 3 sets made last week, picked up one for one of our show cars at midnite last thursday to get it ready for a show, the other two are still there and I may pick them up today.

If I get a chance I will go over and grab them from my machinest and try and take some pics in the next day or two.. have to finish up the motor on that show carI mentioned above though and put my jetta back together to sell it tomorrow.. so I'm a litle tight.. and I don't think I can post pics till I am off trial.. but I'll see what I can do.

At least it should give you an idea.

 

A 3/4" or 1" spring spacer is a lot and might lead to flexing and misalignment problem. Imagine the spacer popping out. You make be able to make some sort topmount spacer that changes the distance to the body mount, remove the spring top and put in longer studs. Or just buy some cheap sleeve overs, throw the springs away and order some eibach 7" free length springs in your chosen rate, the ste it where you want.

 

i ran into a similar problem with my kg/mm race springs they were just too low....... assuming you have room to play with meaning with the shock fully extended the spring has extra room.......... i took an extra set of shock top hats, cut off the top and studs and then welded it to the bottom of the old hats...... it effectively raised it up ~1", which was exactly what i was looking for and essentially helps the suspension stay in the correct geometry because the control arms are not pointed up in the wrong direction

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cjames235 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i ran into a similar problem with my kg/mm race springs they were just too low....... assuming you have room to play with meaning with the shock fully extended the spring has extra room.......... i took an extra set of shock top hats, cut off the top and studs and then welded it to the bottom of the old hats...... it effectively raised it up ~1", which was exactly what i was looking for and essentially helps the suspension stay in the correct geometry because the control arms are not pointed up in the wrong direction</TD></TR></TABLE>

hmm, i think i understand what your saying, but i can help but to wonder a couple of things. Like how did you manage to find 2 extra top hats to work with? also the welds, tig welds? or what kind of weld? also, do you have any picutures, and anything that could make it clearer as to how you did that?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pd performance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is it a coil over shock setup or a seperate setup?

I just had a couple of sets of spacers made for VW/Audi aplications but they should fit anything that has a standard 2.5" spring dimension (kind of the standard for coiloers and lots of ends of springs not always the center) They are designed specificaly to fit the adjustable perches when you do coilovers onthe later VW/Audis that have a seperate spring/shock in the rear. The adjustable perch they include usually doesn't allow the rear end to go high enough. I had 3 sets made last week, picked up one for one of our show cars at midnite last thursday to get it ready for a show, the other two are still there and I may pick them up today.

If I get a chance I will go over and grab them from my machinest and try and take some pics in the next day or two.. have to finish up the motor on that show carI mentioned above though and put my jetta back together to sell it tomorrow.. so I'm a litle tight.. and I don't think I can post pics till I am off trial.. but I'll see what I can do.

At least it should give you an idea.</TD></TR></TABLE>


this is a spring/shock setup, but from the looks of things it is looking like too much work to pull this off, even though i am not so enthousisiastic about coilovers, im slightly considering them now. but my first choice is to stick with my spring/shock combo, i luv it!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Masterbobo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmm, i think i understand what your saying, but i can help but to wonder a couple of things. Like how did you manage to find 2 extra top hats to work with? also the welds, tig welds? or what kind of weld? also, do you have any picutures, and anything that could make it clearer as to how you did that?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i just got a full set off of a friends car that he had wrecked and parted out and i just mig welded them together..... and no i never took any pics but i just literally took the second pair of shock hats, cut the tops off (the part that sticks up for the shock shaft bushing) and welded it underneath the existing shock hat....... looks dumb but works GREAT and you wouldnt see them anyways

 

Are the perches on the shocks removeable and held in place by any kind of clip?

On some audi applications the perch is removeable. Under it is a giant c-clip that holds it in place. the clip is just placed in a groove. Bilstein offers a service if you buy them in bulk that tey will put the groove anywhere you want. Or many shops just toss the regular ones on a lathe and add a groove above and below the standard one so people can adjust the height.

Just remembered that and though maybe if the perche is removeable and held in with a clip then you could try that.

i still didn't pick up my spacers yet, I'll take a picture of them as soon as I pick them up.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by savestheday &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A 3/4" or 1" spring spacer is a lot and might lead to flexing and misalignment problem. Imagine the spacer popping out. You make be able to make some sort topmount spacer that changes the distance to the body mount, remove the spring top and put in longer studs. Or just buy some cheap sleeve overs, throw the springs away and order some eibach 7" free length springs in your chosen rate, the ste it where you want.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Since he is using lowering springs and having a problem with them being too low he should be well under the total lenght of the stock springs.. he should have no problems with flexing and misalignment as long as he stays under to a slight lenght over the stock spring.. Even with with a coil over shock setup its not lik the spring is gonna go anywhere.

As long as there is something to hold the spacer in place and the spring centers it self the same as before there should be no problem with adding a spacer.

Its really no different then changing height with a threaded body.

 

spring perches on hondas are not removable........ unless your running koni yellows

 

most vw/audi ones are like that also. He did not say if he was using stock shocks or not though so it was just something I figured I would mention.

 

All the EF ones I have seen are removable lol...just turn the shock upside down and bang them off...they are slip fit not welded on....even though it looks like they ar welded on.....search around I'm sure they are pics floating around.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by essex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All the EF ones I have seen are removable lol...just turn the shock upside down and bang them off...they are slip fit not welded on....even though it looks like they ar welded on.....search around I'm sure they are pics floating around.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well what are they held in place by? could a ring setup be used like on koni's if there were grooves machined into the stock shock bodies?

 

anyone know if these would fit prelude (2001 base) springs? or neuspeed springs, or h&r spring all for the same car?

 

i might have something you can use, i'll try to dig them up in the garage... i did the same thing with my crx years ago when the 2.25" drop springs i had were too low after the engine swap was done... i just made up new top hats front and back... if i can find them i'll take some pics and provide some measurements.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by weiRtech &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i might have something you can use, i'll try to dig them up in the garage... i did the same thing with my crx years ago when the 2.25" drop springs i had were too low after the engine swap was done... i just made up new top hats front and back... if i can find them i'll take some pics and provide some measurements.</TD></TR></TABLE>


i would really REALLY appreciate that dude, thaks alot, ill patientley be waiting to see what info you could suggest.. thanks again!

 

ground control front pillow mounts might do the trick to lower the front and even it out.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMorgan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ground control front pillow mounts might do the trick to lower the front and even it out.</TD></TR></TABLE>

pillow mounts do nothing for ride height they only extend the shock out further while keeping the same ride height to allow for better use of the shock dampening and travel

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cjames235 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pillow mounts do nothing for ride height they only extend the shock out further while keeping the same ride height to allow for better use of the shock dampening and travel</TD></TR></TABLE>how does that make sense. you are moving the top of the shock higher up.

 

I need to raise an EF so it can run dirt track.... Im thinking about fabbing up new top hats to space it out....is this pretty stout&gt;?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMorgan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how does that make sense. you are moving the top of the shock higher up. </TD></TR></TABLE>

the shock has nothing to do with ride height, the spring controls all of the ride height (unless the shock has adjustable shock perches, where you are controling ride height by raising or lowering the spring)........ moving the shaft out farther by using a taller top hat does not change ride height at all

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rdblckSV650S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I need to raise an EF so it can run dirt track.... Im thinking about fabbing up new top hats to space it out....is this pretty stout&gt;?</TD></TR></TABLE>

in your situation i would fab up some spacers to go between the top hats and the shock towers and then use longer studs on the top hats........ thats really the only way to raise a car up effectively because with honda shocks they arent going to let you extend out far enough to go much/if any higher than stock

or you could get custom length coilovers made that are longer than stock allowing you to raise the car up

 

Just get some coilover sleeves.



You're not changing anything like spring rates or whatever, except moving the springs up an inch or so.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Masterbobo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyone know if these would fit prelude (2001 base) springs? or neuspeed springs, or h&r spring all for the same car?


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no all the springs you are listed have a funky setup and those are for flat ground springs.

also with lowering springs that are preloaded it will not work like it would if the springs are't pre-loaded