Hey lads..

its the newbie EF9 owner here again


I'm planning on Swapping out my PS Rack out for a manual rack in my EF9,

I'm just wondering, does anyone have any links to how-to's and pictures etc? or advice, on how to go about doing this?

just to save me abit of head aches?

I do have a couple of q's:

1) does the motor need to be out?

2) can i do it with the crossmember in place?

cheers in advance

ants

 

Just keep your PS rack and put a loop in, and get rid of the pump and the rest of the hardware. Manual EF racks are annoying because they have such a high ratio.

 

Manual racks are more expensive. just cap off the old ends and use it like that. but to answer on of your questions, no you will not need to take the motor out.

 

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I wouldn't cap it.

You need to loop it and keep fluid in there.

 

there was a lot of discussion about this amongst the 4dr guys and i thought someone had proven that there were differences between not only the racks, but also the crossmembers.....?

since it wasn't clear (at the time) i ended up swapping both the x-member & the rack for manual units.

it was fun pulling all the power steering crap out


but if you end up swapping racks only, there's a trick to getting it out of the crossmember. after you disconnect the tie rod ends, you have to turn the wheel all the way to the left -or right?- to get the inner tie rod to clear the crossmember....then it slides out after you disconnect it from your steering column

 

what is the difference in turns between the manual and p/s rack?

the manual rack is not going to cost me anything, and i'd rather not do a PS loop, did that to my old EK, was a PITA, and the local WOF [warrent of fitness / vehicle testing etc] guys dont like it much.

 

anyone?

 

PS rack has shorter turns to lock, but a longer gear ratio. so its worse off. the amount of gears is just shorter compared to the manual rack because of the hydraulics so lock to lock is less.

dont go by lock to lock numbers. only go by gear ratio's.

Si's have the best ratio.

http://media.honda.co.uk/car/o...8.pdf


and there IS a compatability issue between subframes with power steering and manual racks. not sure if its ok one way and not the other. but i know its an issue.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">PS rack has shorter turns to lock, but a longer gear ratio. so its worse off. the amount of gears is just shorter compared to the manual rack because of the hydraulics so lock to lock is less.

dont go by lock to lock numbers. only go by gear ratio's.

Si's have the best ratio.

http://media.honda.co.uk/car/o...8.pdf


and there IS a compatability issue between subframes with power steering and manual racks. not sure if its ok one way and not the other. but i know its an issue.</TD></TR></TABLE>


ok...

I know that with a manual rack, you need to use two bushings to fit the manual rack into a ps rack's place.

 

Wow good thread. I myself can say that I hae my manual rack... many turns on the wheel. The SI rack seems like it would be hard to source.

Kinda intrested to see if anyone does do a PS rack swap

 

well, i definatly want to do it, just gotta figure out if its worth it or not...


oh, have no idea on the model of this car, but its out of a 1.3 carb'd EF civic?! haha

will the rack be killer?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">PS rack has shorter turns to lock, but a longer gear ratio. so its worse off. the amount of gears is just shorter compared to the manual rack because of the hydraulics so lock to lock is less.

dont go by lock to lock numbers. only go by gear ratio's.

Si's have the best ratio.

http://media.honda.co.uk/car/o...8.pdf


and there IS a compatability issue between subframes with power steering and manual racks. not sure if its ok one way and not the other. but i know its an issue.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Hey Tyson,

thanks for chipping in,

umm, what does the Ratio's and lock to lock tell me?

 

yup you have to turn it all the way to the one side to get it out.
you dont have to remove the engine either..

ps i have a SI manual rack that needs to be rebuilt and the crossmember if anyone needs it.

good luck

 

i have a 91 teg and i was wondering if anyone knows if a manual crx si steering rack could easily be modified to fit my car.

 

oh and i work in a machine shop so i can make modifications. if it is possible to do the swap than i would be interested in buying your si manual rack.