Hey guys. Is it true that to obtain the quickest stop the best thing to do is use 100% front brake to the point that the rear wheel barely lifts off the floor? It seems to make sense but is it possible to get better results with some combo with the rear brake? Thanks

 

Well I think if you're just out cruising the town you'll want to stick to %80 %20 front rear for best stopping power. If you keep the rear planted on the ground that doubles the available contact patch for stopping. What you are talking about is a technique when you're in the twistys to keep the front suspension loaded and planted as you enter a turn.

 

to be more specific, i am talking say 100mph to zero in a straight line, on dry pavement, no turn or anything.

 

I am 100% front brake all the time(I cover 100% of the time also), never use my rear (save for dirt or gravelwhen stopping) even when I start on hills. But that is just my technique. I am not trying for maximum performance, this is just where I am comfortable.

 

i use a combo of both brakes on the street, but i only use the front on the track

 

Front brake 95% of the time.

 

for those who said they use the front brake at the track.... is it the right way to do it? not even worry about the rear break? what if you are in a turn and have to do something break? This info will help me alot... thanks

 

if you really want some good rear brakeng, throw on an other set of calipers.

 

i like the 80 front 20 rear. iono my foot is there anyway, might as well apply a little pressure and help me slow down

 

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I think its also important to consider the type of bike being used.

for a supersport bike, I'd presume that you want to front brake until its very light on the back end, but still touching the road.

but alot of non super-sport bikes dont have the same weight distribution , and the fronts will lock up before the rear lifts, so some rear brake should be applied.

an extreme case would be a chopper, where they dont even know what front brakes are.

 

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I think its also important to consider the type of bike being used.

for a supersport bike, I'd presume that you want to front brake until its very light on the back end, but still touching the road.

but alot of non super-sport bikes dont have the same weight distribution , and the fronts will lock up before the rear lifts, so some rear brake should be applied.

an extreme case would be a chopper, where they dont even know what front brakes are. </TD></TR></TABLE>

no modern sport bike will lock the front before the rear lifts...

 

this is a really great picture of a 1098 that i cound on ducati.com but there is a beter beter fuller picture there. go there and you will see. the 1098 is going into a turn and lifting up the rear tire.

 

Just remember not to grab a handful of brake right away. Pull in on the brake lever a little bit to load up the front, then apply more pressure. Grabbing a handful will land you on your head (and your bike on your nuts!).

 

the rear brake is there for a reason
70% front 30% rear on the street.
50/50 when riding 2 up.
on the track, i dunno, i havent been. But i'm expecting I would be about 90/10.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by knockout &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the rear brake is there for a reason
70% front 30% rear on the street.
50/50 when riding 2 up.
on the track, i dunno, i havent been. But i'm expecting I would be about 90/10.</TD></TR></TABLE>

no, its 92/8

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by knockout &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the rear brake is there for a reason
70% front 30% rear on the street.
50/50 when riding 2 up.
on the track, i dunno, i havent been. But i'm expecting I would be about 90/10.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Does the rear brake even provide that much stopping power dude?

 

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Does the rear brake even provide that much stopping power dude?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It does for me, that combined with engine braking saves my nuts when riding 2 up.
But Im a firm believer in rear braking, I cant not use it.

 

I only touch the rear brake when my right foot complains of boredom. It gets jealous of all the action the other appendages are getting.

 

I think there was a test some magazine did on this awhile back. Turned out you could stop the bike just as fast with only front as you could with front and rear, so the rear doesn't make you stop any faster really.

 

i'll list some advantages of the rear brake since most seem not to use it.
1. longevity, using the rear brake more will help keep your fronts last longer.
2. in a racing scenario with a little bit of rear brake you can try to prevent brake fade.
3. its safer to add more rear brake mid-corner than it is to add more front.
4. locking up the rear and sliding looks cool

 

I've used the rear brake a lot until I stopped using it because i heard it didnt do much, and I couldnt tell much of a difference, especially during the riding your everyday street. I do continue to use it when I come to a stop from anything 40mph or higher. And I use the rear brake for U-turning as well...

 

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I was saying that for bikes that arent supersports, the front may lock before the rear lifts.

my ninja 500 and 650 will lock the front before the rear lifts.

 

I've had to completly stop myself from using the rear brake. I've crashed twice from locking it up in panic situations. Of course I knew better, but when something surprises you, your brain will do what it's been programmed to do. When i was a kid I had a bike that had a broken front brake lever. I used the rear brake all the time. When I got my R6 I started using both brakes. But when I had to stop fast I instinctively hit the rear brakes too hard and then I was along for the ride. The only time I will use it now is at a stop.

 

Rear brake bad, front brake gooooood.

The rear gets so light on the track that going into a turn it's very easy to lock up the rear, which is bad. Mid-turn trail braking is something different, but it's an advanced skill and not really recommended.

 

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Indeed... if I am needing a decrease in radius you should be applying throttle not brake