whats up guys. I finally have gotten around to purchasing a turbo system for my 99 accord. I am trying to plan ahead before putting it on and figuring out what i need. I have all the hardware pretty much covered since i purchased a complete kit for 6thgenaccord.
Consisting of:
-T3/T04B turbonetics turbo
-manifold
-downpipe/dumptube
-tial wastegate
-front-mount intercooler
-intercooler piping
-msd high inline fuel pump
-fmu and missing link
-hks bov
-all necessary hardware & fittings (couplers and vaccume tubes)

I went ahead and purchased a greddy turbo timer for added safety. Now i want the ability to run the car at two different boost levels when wanted, mainly 7psi and 10psi. First off, i dont know where to covert the car to obdI so it would be easier to tune with a tuning program and maybe use a electronic boost controller, which i was planning on purchasing a Profec B spec II, or keep the car obdII and use the electronic controller with some other approach at tuning. Now i have access to a MSD 6al box, external blaster coil, and dist cap to install, but if i dont convert the car to obdI, won't this stuff be useless???.....any help would be helpful, hell VERY VERY helpful.

 

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Impatient are we? I mean, you bumped your damn thread only 10 minutes after posting it.

Do yourself a favor and ditch the FMU and missing link. Plan to either convert to obd1 and use a chipped ECU, or run the AEM EMS. If you're going to convert to obd1, don't do it until you install everything else. You won't need any of the MSD ignition components either.

 

yes sir i was in Impatient... stressing tryin to find answers man. Question, why wont any of the MSD do any good?... some people have told me that the stronger "spark" will help. I know that the stock honda ignition components are strong in their own. Second question, when converting the car to obd1, any thing special need besides a conversion harness and obd1 ecu?.....

last question....why not just keep the car obdII, whats so negative with that?

 

The stock ignition is good for up to 400hp, generally speaking. Unless your stock system is on it's way out, you probably won't see a difference. If you do see a difference, it's probably not going to be much, and thus not worth the money. It's up to you though.

To convert to obd1, all you need is an obd1 ecu and converstion harness.

The tuning options with obd2 ecus is limited. Basically, your choices are emanage or emanage ultimate. With chipped, obd1 ecus you have more tuning options, which most people will agree are also better options.

 

thanks on the info for the stock ignition system. i hardly doubt that my system is on its way out, the car only has 87,000 miles on it, and is hardly driven. Thanks for the heads up about saving the money.

Thanks for the info to convert. Sucks...i just converted my car from auto to five speed and i have a obdII five speed ecu, guess i need to go buy a obdI ecu now...


Any other helpful info or tips you can give me would be appreciated....thanks

 

suck it up and go big, aem ems

 

what is the advantage to aem ems??...does it keep the car obdII???...i dont have any problems with going big on this car, heck i was lookin for an Apex FC for the car figuring that would be the best management for the car..... i just want to make the car more enjoyable and just as reliable to drive.

 

The advantage is that AEM is a top of the line engine management system. It's a plug and play unit, so you'll be able to tune without changing the wiring harness. I don't know about the tunability of the AEM though, many people just run OBDI chipped since the AEM is going to set you back about $2000. They have a package that includes a wideband, which would be great for tuning with your turbo.
All that, given you have the 4 cyl engine. AEM doesn't have an EMS system for the V6 in that gen.

 

yes, its the f23....tuning with the ems though does require dyno runs and professor tuning i take it right??....Philly dyno works will mostly like be doing all that for me since they did my previous eg coupe and i was happy with the work and cost.

I know they ems is a plug and play unit, so i wont have to change any harness, but are you able to actually tun the car while maintaining obdII status? And what ADVANTAGES THAT I WOULD USE does the AEM unit have over getting custom tuning on a obdI ecu??....

 

PM'ed you back.
http://www.turbomagazine.com/t...stem/
is a pretty good overview of the AEM EMS.
It's hard for me to say which features you would or would not use objectively; The AEM comes with both fuel and timing control, tuning software and an extensive manual so that you can make your own map if you so desire, and datalogging.

I personally would go with the OBDI conversion and a piggyback ECU unit. My guess is that the shop that's going to tune your car has a lot of experience with crome, neptune, etc., and probably minimal experience with the AEM EMS. If you want to take the time and learn to map and tune it yourself more power to you; but I wouldn't want to wait around while the dyno shop spends a few hours figuring out how to tune or your EMS.

 

thanks for the info and the link. yeah, i guess i pretty much have to make a choice between going full AEM EMS or converting the car obdI and tuning an ecu... ?????

 

Waasup its Khoa ova at philly dyno works just giving u a bump and good luck wit ur choice on engine management just see what u wanna do cause we tune both.

 

thanks Khoa for the info bro, i know i just need to figure what route to go. If anyone has any pointers, hit me up and let me know!!!....any input needed.

 

id go with msd, it will improve hp, gas mileage, and faster starts and in any car.
Basically it makes your car more effecient, why wouldn't you want to go with a
stronger spark, every bodies concerned about shoving more air and fuel into
the combustion chamber, how about actually making it burn better. The spark
has so much more stronger. If you've ever gone to a performance shop, and played
with a little example that they have. Like "honest performance" in federal way,
you would know what im talking about.

 

as philadd stated above, the stock honda "spark" is able to handle near 400 hp numbers. We all know that i am not going to get even close to that with a stock block and basic size turbo...wouldnt just an external blaster coil be enough...

 

If you use the AEM EMS, you will still retain all of the obd2's sensors and such, but without your original ecu, it's not any kind of obd at all.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by accord2021 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I personally would go with the OBDI conversion and a piggyback ECU unit. My guess is that the shop that's going to tune your car has a lot of experience with crome, neptune, etc., and probably minimal experience with the AEM EMS. If you want to take the time and learn to map and tune it yourself more power to you; but I wouldn't want to wait around while the dyno shop spends a few hours figuring out how to tune or your EMS. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Always, always ask your tuner what his recommendations are for tuning. He's the one doing the tuning, and he should use whatever system he is most comfortable with. Ya know... I just noticed your tuner posted in here and said he'd do either one. In that case, it's really up to you.

russianswty,
I mean no disrespect, but it seems you fell victim to the typical marketing scheme. Yes, the spark will be stronger. The question is, does your car really need it? Like I said before, the gains are typically very small. The stock ignition system is strong enough. Probably more reliable, too. But if we were talking about an older car where the ignition system was much weaker, or if we were talking about a large amount of power, then it would be a whole different ballgame.

 

philadd thank you greatly man for your info. i understand how the ems wil retain all my factory setting and such, but i need to get further info on the ems to really decide whether its worth it or not...

 

then ems is an awsome setup to make alot of power but if ur motor is not built or u do not intend to make that much power them i would say let stick with the obd1 conversion better and Philadd is correct stock honda ignition can hold well past 400hp because out shop del sol put down 508hp on stock igntion. It didn't have msd blaster coil or anything just a really good tune.

 

all i know is that i want the philly dyno logo on my car for free!!!LOL......two cars tuned is worth it!!.....get ready to make one in Gold tone!@!

 

i dunno about gold but we will take care of u. You can have as many stickers as u want