which model in the 96-98 body style didnt come with power steering... converting my car to non power steering and need to know which rack and which uv knuckle to get for my car so that it will bolt up..

 

CX

 

i didnt think they made a cx in the 96-98 body style, wasnt that rather the "hx"?

 

like hatchling said CX and you can still use your stock knuckles

 

are all of these cx racks gonna work or do they differ by year? i found a deal on a rack out of a 96 and just want to be possitive that it will directly bolt up to my 98 column.

 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fkncivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i didnt think they made a cx in the 96-98 body style, wasnt that rather the "hx"?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The CX is a hatchback and was available as a 6th gen Civic from 1996-2000.

Sorry for the quick thread jack...

All USDM 6th gen Civics:

CX hatch = 1996 - 2000
DX coupe = 1996 - 2000
DX hatch = 1996 - 2000
DX sedan = 1996 - 2000
EX coupe = 1996 - 2000
EX sedan = 1996 - 2000
GX sedan = 1998 - 2000
HX coupe = 1996 - 2000
LX sedan = 1996 - 2000
Si coupe = 1999 - 2000

So the only USDM 6th gen Civics that weren't released every year were the GX sedan and the Si coupe. The VP / DX-V sedan is also only '99-'00, but it's basically an LX.

/ thread jack

The EPC says the '96-'00 CX hatch all came with the same exact steering box.

 

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d00d, just plug your stock rack. done.

 

I have a 96 dx coupe that didn't come with power steering. why swap parts just disconnect the high pressure line, start the car up, shut it off, remove the power steering junk, and plug up the holes on the rack.
BTW I believe the power racks have a better ratio

 

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They do.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gtlaw1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a 96 dx coupe that didn't come with power steering. why swap parts just disconnect the high pressure line, start the car up, shut it off, remove the power steering junk, and plug up the holes on the rack.
BTW I believe the power racks have a better ratio</TD></TR></TABLE>

Don't simply plug the holes. Your supposed to loop the input/ouput holes on the PS gearbox that come from the pump & reservoir. Then you "T" off one or both of the hard-lines on the PS gearbox itself. It's okay to use clamps & bulk hoses as it's no longer a high-pressure fluid system. Now turn the rack back & forth until all the fluid is done shooting out. A little fluid should remain inside the rack for proper lubrication. Now connect your T fittings to a vented breather canister. You can even convert your original PS reservoir to a breather for that stealth look...

This is how Realtime Racing did it on their Integra race cars. Very proper, and it gets rid of that extra steering effort you get from pushing fluid around as you turn the wheel...

 

I was gonna do the same thing with my 94 eg and left the holes unplugged and open for a while (months, waiting for cash)...will the rack be o.k.???

 

actually i did plug off the power rack, did ok for like 3 years but now is falling apart and shaking alot... just need to know if the cx rack will directly bolt up?

ps... curious as to how ctr rack would work?

 

jeez... all I did for a while was remove the PS belt for a few months then decided I wanted PS back when I spilled my starbuck venti iced white chocolate mocha trying to fight the steering wheel pulling out of a spot right before an interview. I just popped the belt back on with no problems.. Are you looking for a cleaner bay? Just curious

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fkncivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">actually i did plug off the power rack, did ok for like 3 years but now is falling apart and shaking alot... just need to know if the cx rack will directly bolt up?

ps... curious as to how ctr rack would work?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The CX rack will fit right in. Both PS & manual cars use the same sub-frame, so everything should bolt right in. I can't comment on the CTR rack, but you should definitely do some research & see if there is a difference. The CTR does have power steering though...

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The extra effort was because you were pumping fluid by hand as you turned the wheel. If you looped & vented the gearbox, you would have the same steering effort as a manual-rack Civic.

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I don't know. Doesn't sound too great though.

 

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d00d, just plug your stock rack. done. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, lol. Just loop the power steering pump.

Just a little FYI, the power increase is negligible. See the power steering pump pulley moves rather freely when you're driving straight, it's when you're standing still and turning the wheel that more strain is on the pump and it saps power. Any "extra HP" you see is all in your head.

If you're not doing it for that, whatever, maybe you're doing it for a swap or whatever, not my business, just tellin ya what to expect or what not to.

As far as trims go, I think it was optional on the DX, and the CX didn't have one. I'm PRETTY SURE the HX didn't have one but I'm not sure on that. EX, LX, and Si all have it. I'm not real big on knowledge of trims, but I'm pretty sure that's right...

 

I had a power steering rack looped and vented for a while. I also have a smaller diameter steering wheel and 195/50/15 sport/street tires. For street driving it wasn't noticeable but for low speed u-turns and tight parking it just sucked. Who cares how quick your ratio is then? Now I've swapped to a manual rack and I love it. The smaller steering wheel makes the steering quicker anyway.

I love that it cleaned out the engine bay (I had hoses and a resevoir) and that the manual rack is a little bit lighter weight.

 

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As far as trims go, I think it was optional on the DX, </TD></TR></TABLE>

Honda doesn't have options my man (only trim levels). DX had PS from 96-00...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honda doesn't have options my man (only trim levels). DX had PS from 96-00... </TD></TR></TABLE>
You know front tweeters? Those are optional in all coupes. You know rear speakers in hatches? Those are optional in CXes even though they didn't come with them standard. A/C? That's optional in any car that didn't come with it from the factory (yep, you can get A/C in a CX too). Moonroof visor? Optional for all cars with moonroofs. Car covers, fenderwell trim, fog lights, nose masks (full and half), spoilers on sedans and coupes, wheel locks, different alloy wheels (which are optional on ALL trims), the ashtray in the armrest, cargo net in coupe and sedan, floormats, front ashtray, keyless entry, Honda security system, leather steering wheel cover, CD player, CD changer, cassette player, AM/FM radio (optional in CX, standard in all other trims), CD storage case, cassette cleaning system, engine block heater and front and rear lip and painted sideskirts.

Those are all OPTIONAL PARTS.

So yes, Honda did have options. Lots of them in fact. A trim level doesn't just say what options the car might come with, but what basic features it will have. A certain trim level might have some features standard that are optional for other trims.

Power steering is an option on both the CX and DX hatchback. So the manual steering '96-'00 CXes all came with the same rack (same part number) and the power steering '96-'00 CXes all came with one of two different racks (at least as far as part numbers go).

BOX, STEERING BOX
53040-S04-A01
96-00 CX 3DR
96-97 DX 3DR
96-97 DX 2DR

RACK ASSY., POWER STEERING
53601-S04-A51
96-98 CX 3DR
96-98 DX 3DR
96-98 DX 2DR
96-98 EX 2DR
96-98 HX 2DR
96-98 DX 4DR
96-98 EX 4DR
96-98 LX 4DR

RACK, POWER STEERING
53601-S04-A54
99-00 CX 3DR
99-00 DX 3DR
99-00 DX 2DR
99-00 EX 2DR
99-00 HX 2DR
99-00 DX 4DR
99-00 EX 4DR
99-00 GX 4DR
99-00 LX 4DR

 

Well, as far as the earlier stuff in your post I (and honda parts menus) consider those to be accessories and not actual options, but I can see how we're in a gray area of opinion. I have always been under the impression that the dealer installs all that stuff after they get the car (including the A/C kits). In many cases, dealers even install cheap after-market A/C kits instead of the OEM ones...

It is interesting about the Power Steering stuff though. I NEVER heard anything about that. Also, every parts website I've been to does not show ANY power steering components under those trim levels. I guess I'll have to keep an eye out for some power-steering CXs...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, as far as the earlier stuff in your post I (and honda parts menus) consider those to be accessories and not actual options, but I can see how we're in a gray area of opinion. I have always been under the impression that the dealer installs all that stuff after they get the car (including the A/C kits). In many cases, dealers even install cheap after-market A/C kits instead of the OEM ones...

It is interesting about the Power Steering stuff though. I NEVER heard anything about that. Also, every parts website I've been to does not show ANY power steering components under those trim levels. I guess I'll have to keep an eye out for some power-steering CXs...</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's all dealer options, much like the leather seats in Si's. No CX came from the factory with power steering unless special ordered that way. But like NOFX stated, it is optional equipment.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, as far as the earlier stuff in your post I (and honda parts menus) consider those to be accessories and not actual options, but I can see how we're in a gray area of opinion. I have always been under the impression that the dealer installs all that stuff after they get the car (including the A/C kits). In many cases, dealers even install cheap after-market A/C kits instead of the OEM ones...

It is interesting about the Power Steering stuff though. I NEVER heard anything about that. Also, every parts website I've been to does not show ANY power steering components under those trim levels. I guess I'll have to keep an eye out for some power-steering CXs...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Some of those are factory accessories, which are optional. Some of those are dealer accessories, which are optional.

Technically, EVERYTHING can be a dealer option. If you're willign to pay them for it, they're willing to do it. If you want Si wheels and a B16A2 put into your brand new DX hatch... guess what? They'll do it if you're willing to pay for it.

ALL '96-'00 Civics are available with power steering. In fact, the power steering box is listed for every single trim. Only a few come with manual steering boxes.

Those trims with manual steering (and optional power steering) would be:
96-97 DX coupe
96-00 CX hatch
96-97 DX hatch

All info is from Hondanet 2000 (Electronics Parts Catalog) and several different Honda Optional Equipment Feature catalogs.

 

ok lol let me clarify why i even asked this question lol i have a b20 vtec swap in my car and decided to dump all the **** off the crank in favor of an n1 pulley anyways all the power steering stuff has long ago gone to the junk yard... however here is the dillemma (or however you spell that) i tried putting a non ps rack on my car before and it would not bolt up to the knuckle at the bottom of the steering column (uv knuckle i believe) the splined part would not fit...so im just making sure that the cx rack will actually plug into the column.

 

That's a good question. I know that if you want to put a DC PS rack in a EG manual car, you need to also get the matching DC U-joint that connects the rack to the steering column. Perhaps it's the same for the EK...

NOFX, consider me schooled...