Friend of mine just got a ef and we went to check with the gun but timing marks are way off. I adjusted the crank so piston 1 is at tdc for him and put the belt back on with proper cam position. Thing doesn't start now. The cars getting spark, and everything works because he drove it up and down the driveway to see how it feels. The weird part is, when i adjusted piston 1 to tdc, the timing marks on the crank arn't anywhere near the damn pointer. What the hell is going on? Everything is stock supposidly from the guy who sold it to my friend. I really don't want to take the crank pully off because of the ac stuff in the way and the pain in the but it is to do it. Any advice?

 

there are 4 marks on the crank pulley - 3 are close together and are the ignition timing marks - off a little ways (about 16 degrees) to the right of these 3 is a 4th mark all by itself - this is the TDC mark

 

aligned the crank gear cog to the mark on the oil pump?

 

A crank pulley cannot be misalligned. It's held on by a key in a keyway, it's litterally impossible.

Now it could be a different crank pulley, I don't know if they are different from year to year as I never bothered looking hard into a D series.

 

I say double check your cam timing because it is easy to be off. Also what is the motor and what is the timing belt? Are you using an adjustable cam gear? Did you ground your timing adjustment connector? All good questions to answer!

 

Its probably the cam timing that is off.

Tell us motor it is, and maybe someone can tell you how to set the cam timing.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fireant &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its probably the cam timing that is off.

Tell us motor it is, and maybe someone can tell you how to set the cam timing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Sorry for the late responces guys. The engine itself is a d15b2, crx hf engine.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jlicrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there are 4 marks on the crank pulley - 3 are close together and are the ignition timing marks - off a little ways (about 16 degrees) to the right of these 3 is a 4th mark all by itself - this is the TDC mark </TD></TR></TABLE>

I did set it to the tdc mark on the crank pully.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ChickenH &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">aligned the crank gear cog to the mark on the oil pump?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The engine is still in the car and i would perfer to not take off the crank pully if i have to. If i took it off, I would be able to see the mark on the oil pump as now the timing cover is covering it.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ludesrv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A crank pulley cannot be misalligned. It's held on by a key in a keyway, it's litterally impossible.

Now it could be a different crank pulley, I don't know if they are different from year to year as I never bothered looking hard into a D series.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know its impossible thats why it is bogging my mind so hard as to why in the hell this is all messed up? Actually, There is a way the pully could be miss aligned but then the woodwolve (sp?) key wouldn't be in there. Looks like I may have to take the crank off now. I was also thinking it could be a different pully aswell but it looks like the pully was never tampered with as its a stock engine in a stock car. But who knows right? I'v compared it to another hf engine and the crank pully looks exactly the same, i'm guessing its the original.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sohcvtec91hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I say double check your cam timing because it is easy to be off. Also what is the motor and what is the timing belt? Are you using an adjustable cam gear? Did you ground your timing adjustment connector? All good questions to answer! </TD></TR></TABLE>

I double checked it twice and even checked it again so i know its exactly right. Its all original as the timing belt looks a little warn on the back side but it does say honda onthe belt. So i'm assuming its original. No, i don't have an adjustable cam gear on the cam, its stock. I understand that grounding the connector is the proper way to set timing but, if you read what i said, I set the crank pully to tdc with the spark plug out and the marks on the crank pully don't even match the tdc marks. So the connector has nothing to do with this as of yet.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fireant &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its probably the cam timing that is off.

Tell us motor it is, and maybe someone can tell you how to set the cam timing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have my factory service manual and it says there are two ways to set cam timing, one for the si and the other for both dx and hf. The si, you are suppost to align the cam mark on the 7 o clock mark on the cam gear. Where as the dx and hf, you are suppost to set the cam gear with the cam marks, 3 and 9 o clock aligned with the valve cover/surface ofthe head. This is the way i set it.

Any more insights before i have to break the crank pully loose to figure out if the woodwolve key is in there? thanks guys for all your help.

 

If the woodruff key wasn't in there the crank pully would probably spin whith the tension of the altinator belt. How are you tightening the tensioner? pushing it up with you fingers or spining the motor counter clockwise? If spining the pully then that is going to be your problem.

 

There are two belts on the crank pully. AC and alt. That could be pulling helping the tension on the crank which could help keep the belt not moving. The tensier has a spring which keeps tension on the belt. I also rotated the crank and it put tension on it aswell. if the bolt was on it aswell it wouldn't move that much. Anyone else?