Operation Grip!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 29, 2007 | 06:10 PM
  #1  
CRXBart's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 2
From: Land of the free, whoever told you that is your enemy
Default Operation Grip!

Ever since I installed my new motor, I've had a couple of problems:

1. My speedo is off.
2. Lack of traction.
3. Gearing is super low.

The reason being is my transmission was designed for a 225/45-17. Therefor, my speedometer, is off, and the 4.7 FD feels like a 5.0. Now I came have been thinking through my solutions, and this seems like the best idea. It fixes everything all in one shot.

Install 225/45-17s on my car. Now before you say Bart you've done it, you've finally gone off you rocker. There is a reason.

The other option is only run R compound tires, and be prepared to change them often, that fixes the traction, then I would have to install a speedo calibration unit inline with the speed sensor, the gearing I would most likely live with, or I could install a 4.3 FD.

The second choice would be easier, more conventional, and I would have to run sticky, but pricey R comp tires, most likely RA1's for their multiple heat cycling capability. I could keep the car more stock looking. That is about it. Long trips, would be doable, but I would have to have another set of tires for trips so I would not burn up the R comps. So this is potentially more expensive.

Now by going with the larger wheels, and tires, and fender flares. I could run cheaper sports tires, and keep 1 set of wheels for track, and street. Probably run Azenis, Kuhmo MX, or something. Still be able to travel long distances w/o changing the tires too. It will fix all the problems easily, and effectively. Also if I ever went to an R comp I would have that much more grip.

I talked to my friend at Hasport, and he told me, (his boss runs the 225-45/17) that their CRX handles better than ever before with the larger combo. He assured me that everyone that has driven the car has loved it. Ironically this is the same size tire, Andrie Hartanto used in his ride to victory in H1 last year. Most everyone else uses 15's. Andrie has a EK for those that don't know. I am just frustrated with these problems and I want to make the right decision on this. Not sure how the car would look with flares and a Mugen kit. It does seem like the better idea performance wise though. Any opinions or info I could use to help sway my decision would be greatly appreciated. TIA Guys.


For reference this is Brian Gillespe's Flared car.
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2007 | 09:20 PM
  #2  
EF_LSVtec's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 4,281
Likes: 1
From: Hayward, CA 94541, USA
Default Re: Operation Grip! (CRXBart)

I think you're better off posting this on the Road Racing/AutoX forum... Personally, I'd get two sets of wheels and tires..It's difficult to stay competitive especially if you're running half and half tires...half for street/half for racing...
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2007 | 09:34 PM
  #3  
CRXBart's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 2
From: Land of the free, whoever told you that is your enemy
Default Re: Operation Grip! (EF_LSVtec)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EF_LSVtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think you're better off posting this on the Road Racing/AutoX forum... Personally, I'd get two sets of wheels and tires..It's difficult to stay competitive especially if you're running half and half tires...half for street/half for racing...</TD></TR></TABLE>
It is posted there as well.
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2007 | 09:53 PM
  #4  
EF_LSVtec's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 4,281
Likes: 1
From: Hayward, CA 94541, USA
Default Re: Operation Grip! (CRXBart)

ic...did you hear about the new wider 15 inch hoosier tires supposedly coming out soon? 275/35/15...That's what I'm waiting for for grip....and of course, 15x10 or 11 inch wheels all around.
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2007 | 10:37 PM
  #5  
Chase's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,137
Likes: 0
From: EMAIL ME at Chase@ChaseBaysOnline.com
Default Re: Operation Grip! (EF_LSVtec)

That crx is SICK.

Idk tho man, speedo calibrator isnt that much. 17s just look wrong on a crx.
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2007 | 10:41 PM
  #6  
sanimalp's Avatar
$cat /dev/urandom
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,152
Likes: 3
From: Thornton, colorado, usa
Default Re: Operation Grip! (EF_LSVtec)

I guess my question is: How often do you drive long distance in the car?

If it is only once or twice a year, I could see making the swap when neccesary and just running the r compound tires. If its like once a week, I could see that getting irritating really quick. one bonus of the 17's could be a brake upgrade too though..

I wish I had enough hp to worry about serious traction issues...
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2007 | 11:16 PM
  #7  
.Manny.'s Avatar
Touching My Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,792
Likes: 1
From: Downey, CA
Default Re: Operation Grip! (sanimalp)

you dont have to justify your decisions bart, you know what you are doing

if you run across any dumbasses who dont understand why you do what you do, dont worry, they dont matter

just as long as you throw on a sweet rare set of wheels
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2007 | 11:47 PM
  #8  
fireant's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,116
Likes: 2
Default Re: Operation Grip! (.Manny.)

Its time for a tow vehicle?
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 05:05 AM
  #9  
CRXBart's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 2
From: Land of the free, whoever told you that is your enemy
Default Re: Operation Grip! (sanimalp)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sanimalp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guess my question is: How often do you drive long distance in the car?

If it is only once or twice a year, I could see making the swap when neccesary and just running the r compound tires. If its like once a week, I could see that getting irritating really quick. one bonus of the 17's could be a brake upgrade too though..

I wish I had enough hp to worry about serious traction issues...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hardly ever. Once twice a year.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fireant &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its time for a tow vehicle? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Never gotta stay a steet car.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 05:23 AM
  #10  
Disco Monkey's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 1,171
Likes: 1
From: Georgia
Default Re: Operation Grip! (CRXBart)

yeah, people look at me like I'm crazy when i tell them I do not get traction with 15" azenis in first or second. I've been debating about driving on the street with R comps or drag radials.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 06:00 AM
  #11  
Vovchandr's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
From: Niskayuna, NY, 12309
Default Re: Operation Grip! (Disco Monkey)

drag radials FTW!

Ill be driving around on BFG's all day, there are 3 or 4 hondas in the area that have to, with the power they are making.

Time for a gear based boost controller.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 06:10 AM
  #12  
Disco Monkey's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 1,171
Likes: 1
From: Georgia
Default Re: Operation Grip! (Vovchandr)

I'm currently trying out a friend's bfg drag radials. they are 205-50-15. They help some, so I was thinking about trying the 225-50-15.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 06:15 AM
  #13  
Vovchandr's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
From: Niskayuna, NY, 12309
Default Re: Operation Grip! (Disco Monkey)

i want to see pix

I love how the drag radials stick out the sides of the car lol
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 06:53 AM
  #14  
dohc_profile's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,139
Likes: 0
Default

why does that yellow crx look like its very poorly photo shopped
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 07:10 AM
  #15  
APEX CRX's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,830
Likes: 0
From: YEAH HO, FRISCO, NORCAL
Default Re: (sohc_mnstr)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sohc_mnstr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why does that yellow crx look like its very poorly photo shopped</TD></TR></TABLE>

dunno, its a pic/scan of a magazine page but its not thats how the Hasport CRX looks like

Bart thats funny because I was thinking of going to wider tires too. I'm waiting for the Hoosiers first. I already run R compound tires Yokohama A032R 205-50-15
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 08:44 AM
  #16  
kid-honda's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 4,284
Likes: 0
Default Re: Operation Grip! (EF8kid)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EF8kid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That crx is SICK.

Idk tho man, speedo calibrator isnt that much. 17s just look wrong on a crx.</TD></TR></TABLE>

He isnt just complaining about the speedo its the fact that when the tranny was geared it was for 17's but now with 15's the gearing is off effectivly hurting power.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 12:52 PM
  #17  
harmonator84's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,394
Likes: 0
From: My Garage
Default Re: Operation Grip! (kid-honda)

It would help out with performance but I just dont like the looks of 17s on a crx. Even though I did rock them for about a year..haha
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 01:21 PM
  #18  
Chase's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,137
Likes: 0
From: EMAIL ME at Chase@ChaseBaysOnline.com
Default Re: Operation Grip! (kid-honda)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kid-honda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

He isnt just complaining about the speedo its the fact that when the tranny was geared it was for 17's but now with 15's the gearing is off effectivly hurting power.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea i read it and he did things about his speedo.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRXBart &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ever since I installed my new motor, I've had a couple of problems:

1. My speedo is off.
2. Lack of traction.
3. Gearing is super low.

</TD></TR></TABLE>

If anything its revving faster thru the gears and acceleration is better now with smaller wheels. Like he said, its like a 5.0 FD which would be an improvment on acceleration.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 03:00 PM
  #19  
CRXBart's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 2
From: Land of the free, whoever told you that is your enemy
Default Re: Operation Grip! (EF8kid)

I actually had 17s back in like 2000-2001. I liked the way they looked, and they rode decent too. These tires will need allot more work to fit though with the width I want. I dunno I might just do some R comp 15's on a 7" wheel, and call it a day. From what I hear the extra half inch makes the tire sit allot flatter. If I need to go a distance, throw on the blades, with all seasons. For reference here is a old pic of the CRX with the RH knock off 17's. I don't think it looked to bad.

Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 03:02 PM
  #20  
Chase's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,137
Likes: 0
From: EMAIL ME at Chase@ChaseBaysOnline.com
Default Re: Operation Grip! (CRXBart)

yeah not to bad. Get some 15x8's
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 03:05 PM
  #21  
CRXBart's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 2
From: Land of the free, whoever told you that is your enemy
Default Re: Operation Grip! (EF8kid)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EF8kid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah not to bad. Get some 15x8's </TD></TR></TABLE>

Will they fit without flares?
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 03:08 PM
  #22  
Chase's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,137
Likes: 0
From: EMAIL ME at Chase@ChaseBaysOnline.com
Default Re: Operation Grip! (CRXBart)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRXBart &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Will they fit without flares?</TD></TR></TABLE>

oh yeah man, u may have to add some camber depending on how low u are. How low are you?
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 03:09 PM
  #23  
ImportHatch's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,949
Likes: 0
From: WA
Default Re: Operation Grip! (harmonator84)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by harmonator84 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It would help out with performance but I just dont like the looks of 17s on a crx. Even though I did rock them for about a year..haha</TD></TR></TABLE>

Of course you don't like them anymore, your on HT now. HT does your thinking.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 03:17 PM
  #24  
CRXBart's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 2
From: Land of the free, whoever told you that is your enemy
Default Re: Operation Grip! (EF8kid)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EF8kid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

oh yeah man, u may have to add some camber depending on how low u are. How low are you?</TD></TR></TABLE>

From what I hear RA1s like about 3deg. I am real low, I'm switching to Koni Race, and 400fr/500rr GC. So I will be able to go lower, and won't have rub cause it probably won't move after I am done saving weight, lol. Plus the Koni races are shorter so they can go lower. Some 8" wide TE's will look dope, don't you think. I can't believe I just used the term "dope", but it is the only word I can think to describe it. lol
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 03:25 PM
  #25  
harmonator84's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,394
Likes: 0
From: My Garage
Default Re: Operation Grip! (CRXBart)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ImportHatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Of course you don't like them anymore, your on HT now. HT does your thinking.</TD></TR></TABLE>
haha...thats funny...naa man I had them on there when I was 17 or so. I am older now, and am looking more towards performance instead of *****.

Sorry about the thread jack bart.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:48 AM.