well both with i/h/e. and of course the lsvtec with ctr pistons and itr cams and all the arp good stuff!! same with the b20z!! im wanting to be in the high 13's or 14s!!! whats your input??


Modified by hatchvtec at 2:30 PM 3/20/2007

 

its all about preference...... what ever you choose you will be happy with, im sure if it.

 

not going to even consider the B20B/Z bottom end? Displacement =

 

well yea....im goin to have to order it because we dont have them locally....but i found an b16a shortblock for 200 worth it?? oh and im on tight buget!! also this is going to a crx chassi

 

I had my b16 for like 5 years now and it runs flawlessly, but I'm going to be building a ls/vtec hopefully shortly for it. Their is nothing wrong with an ls/vtec but make sure you build it the right way. Don't cut corners, thats what everything goes wrong..........

 

had to rep the b16, since it was stock in japan (SiR), i think its only right that these go into our cars. its kind of like returning a baby to its mother or something.

 

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perfect quote

 

Stock b20z if you can find one.

 

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Haha. I like that..
Either way I still say go with lsvtec.

 

I am all for the b16.....if you dont like it...boost it :D

 

b16=no torque

d16a6s make more torque

but i say go b20

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hatchvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well both with i/h/e. and of course the lsvtec with ctr pistons and itr cams and all the arp good stuff!! same with the b20z!! im wanting to be in the high 13's or 14s!!! whats your input??
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First issue: You can get into the high 13s or low 14s with a turbo on a D16A6 no problem.

Second issue: since when has LS/VTEC become a basic run of the mill procedure that any idiot with a socket set than throw together?

Last I checked it can be a real PITA to put together properly and reliably, without blowing **** up.

 

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I'm so tired of hearing. I think everyone should just plaster it to their forhead or something. Then people always say ls and gsr have torque, damnit they don't have any torque either. I bet a buick century could beat those motors out of the hole also. Everything is realitive, a ford taurus would probably kill a 2.3 prelude off the line. I'm tired of these stupid arguments about b16 don't have torque, then someone will say something stupid like a a6 or z6 has torque. Their torqueless also, its a honda people. Go buy the ridgeline,odyssey, or the RL if you want "okay" torque.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by goforbroke &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I'm so tired of hearing. I think everyone should just plaster it to their forhead or something. Then people always say ls and gsr have torque, damnit they don't have any torque either. I bet a buick century could beat those motors out of the hole also. Everything is realitive, a ford taurus would probably kill a 2.3 prelude off the line. I'm tired of these stupid arguments about b16 don't have torque, then someone will say something stupid like a a6 or z6 has torque. Their torqueless also, its a honda people. Go buy the ridgeline,odyssey, or the RL if you want "okay" torque. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Honestly, most of these people who talk about torque seem to want their cars to "feel" fast. Who cares how fast it "feels" in low rpm ranges? If you're gonna run your car hard, you're gonna take it up to the redline anyway. HP is the bottom line.

 

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Honestly, most of these people who talk about torque seem to want their cars to "feel" fast. Who cares how fast it "feels" in low rpm ranges? If you're gonna run your car hard, you're gonna take it up to the redline anyway. HP is the bottom line.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What he said..

I'd rather have a car that drove pretty normal until I wound it up. RPM's are the cure for what people consider "low torque" B16's. An LS short block just from an engineering standpoint was never meant to be revved. Big heavy crank, low compression, no oil squiters. I understand why people build "frankenstein" motors, but unless you're willing to invest some serious money it will never be the motor the B16 will. Slapping some high compression pistons in an LS doesn't make it well engineered.

 

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d16a6s make more torque

but i say go b20</TD></TR></TABLE>

how much torque does a ef need? its hard enought getting traction as it is and even worse when you boost it. i would get a b16 and boost it. Plus you know its engineered right

 

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First issue: You can get into the high 13s or low 14s with a turbo on a D16A6 no problem.

Second issue: since when has LS/VTEC become a basic run of the mill procedure that any idiot with a socket set than throw together?

Last I checked it can be a real PITA to put together properly and reliably, without blowing **** up. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It basically is just something with an idiot can put together. Its mating a head and a block..its not really that hard.. Lots of people do this with stock engines and dont have problems You act like its brain surgery. Its a small 4 cyl engine.

 

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It basically is just something with an idiot can put together. Its mating a head and a block..its not really that hard.. Lots of people do this with stock engines and dont have problems You act like its brain surgery. Its a small 4 cyl engine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Block posts, measuring out the proper clearances for everything, getting everything lined up well, etc. has quite a bit to do with how well these motors will run. Reinforcing the bottom end with better than OEM components can't hurt either. How many LS/VTECs have you seen blow up within 60,000 miles? Because most of them do.

I'm not saying that isn't unusual in a world of build it to go fast and watch it break, then build it better; this kid just doesn't seem to understand that fact as well as he should if he's asking about B16 versus an LS/VTEC setup.

 

well im not going ls/vtec because people around here have bad rep for that. so im leaning against the b16 and boosting it later on, and besides it makes good power boosted and a good tune. or else sumthing like a d16a6 boosted??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hatchvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well im not going ls/vtec because people around here have bad rep for that. </TD></TR></TABLE>
:shakes head:

 

thiese threads get stupider and stupider

 

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to add to the stupid thread.

what do u guys think will be the fastest out of these 3 setups

ls,b16, lsvtec only revving to 7k?

story is i have a ls now but i have the option to get a b16 so i have those 3 options to run. this is all with a ls hydro tranny

 

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this is all with a ls hydro tranny</TD></TR></TABLE>
Get rid of it.

 

yeah i would but i have a hard enough time finding any b trannys over here, let alone a b16 tranny

so whihc one u guys think, ls, b16, or lsvtec reving to 7k?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civickiller &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah i would but i have a hard enough time finding any b trannys over here, let alone a b16 tranny

so whihc one u guys think, ls, b16, or lsvtec reving to 7k?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Properly built, of course an LS/VTEC to 7k. A small bit more torque, and a better overall platform than B16 or LS properly assembled and tuned. Not tuned, not head-bolted, etc. and stick with something stock. LS/VTEC isn't hard if you know what you're doing, just most people find directions and assembly hard.

That's all I was trying to say earlier too. Good luck either way.