how's it going guys. I'm in the market for an intake and looking around I found that J's is claiming almost 7 hp gain on a b16. is this accurate? I want to get a mugen but how much better could it be for 400 bucks more? I used the search and found some answers but not really what I was looking for.Also, what header would you guys suggest. Seems like everyone is all over smsp but what else would go good with a j's racing intake. Is the smsp header one that eliminates the cat(longtube) or do you need to run a test pipe/hi flow cat.thanks

 

regular cai with vstack > whale *****
smsp > *

you can run an smsp with a cat or test pipe. fab it up to fit.

 

The J's sucks

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I posted it in another thread but, Ill put the results here for you guys.
the setup is a '00 JDM ITR wit a 1 piece head gasket, ARP headstuds, Buddy Club spec 4's,CTR N-1 Pulley, Portflow springs and retainers. The tranny is '00 Spoon ITR tranny with a 4.9 ATS final. Excedy thin sprung 6 puck and chromoly flywheel.
All tuned with a Hondata stage 2
The red line is the J's and the green line is the AEM

I coulda easily made more (2-3hp) too if I woulda added fuel above 8200 -8900rpm. The wide band showed it was way too lean. Shaun offered to tune it to the AEM but since I dont own one I left it tuned to the J's It also had the same result on my friends ITR, exactly 12 HP gain vs his ITR airbox and spoon filter. Believe me I was very disapointed, I just recieved the intake the day before from Mike at IPS and it cost me my left nut. Shaun Church said he gets the exact same result from evey J's style intake he dynos compared to the AEM. Granted the J's looks 10x better than the AEM but the graph tells a different story.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Sorry, I had to...

 

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BMaDOHC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how's it going guys. I'm in the market for an intake and looking around I found that J's is claiming almost 7 hp gain on a b16. is this accurate? I want to get a mugen but how much better could it be for 400 bucks more? I used the search and found some answers but not really what I was looking for.Also, what header would you guys suggest. Seems like everyone is all over smsp but what else would go good with a j's racing intake. Is the smsp header one that eliminates the cat(longtube) or do you need to run a test pipe/hi flow cat.thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>

Get a Mugen if you can afford it. If not then get a Comptech icebox

 

Js = more low end response

AEM = most hp gain/more top end

Mugen = more throttle response

choose wisely

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doood &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">regular cai with vstack &gt; whale *****
smsp &gt; *

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x2

Currently using that setup exactly and I love it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d.n.d. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Js = more low end response

AEM = most hp gain/more top end

Mugen = more throttle response

choose wisely </TD></TR></TABLE>

AEM = most hp gain??? really?

I'm pretty sure Mugen gives you the most power
and Comptech Icebox is #2

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d.n.d. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Js = more low end response

AEM = most hp gain/more top end

Mugen = more throttle response

choose wisely </TD></TR></TABLE>

Honestly, the only thing the J's had going for it was throttle response. The AEM CAI pretty much beats it all places in the RPM range.

As for AEM vs. Mugen, does the Mugen really make more overall HP? I didn't think that was the case. The Mugen does better in the low/mid range though.

 

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I like that Gil might have lots of JDM parts but when it comes to the real deal numbers on them...... he shows no mercy

 

I originally ran a Spoon Drop in Filter w/stock box. Not too much of a difference over stock. From there I got myself a Js. It had wicked throttle response, and was ok througout the RPM range on the highway. When the warm weather really started is when I noticed that the Js really does soak up heat in in the engine bay, especiaaly thorout the city. So I sold it and got a Mugen intake. I noticed more of a gain with that then I did with a JDM 4-1 header alone. The best mod so far far, gives you the best of both worlds, wicked throttle response, amazing mid range, and excellent top end. I is expensive, but is a quality piece with alot of R&D behind it exclusively for an ITR motor. Plus it is mega bling .

Your Intake troubles will be solved, period.

 

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DANG!

 

comptech sport intake then buy the icebox

 

Based on other's experience and dyno comparison, I would go with the Mugen. But too bad it's very pricey....

 

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LOL. thats sick!

wheres his ***** at ?

 

Mugen FTW!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 00TypeR1071 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm pretty sure Mugen gives you the most power
and Comptech Icebox is #2 </TD></TR></TABLE>

Now 00TypeR1071...this isn't directly at YOU, just at comments like this. Too many new members here fail to do a search and just take people's word too literally. I know you're all giddy about your new Mugen but lets look at some facts.

The Mugen piece is extremely nice and I'm sure the "throttle response" is great but does it really produce <U>gains</U>? Just playing devil's advocate here. Testing a CAI-style intake on a dyno is always somewhat suspect. A fan blowing on the filter in no way replicates fender well/underhood airflow nor temperature. Maybe someone should do some timed-data logged road pulls for a more real world test.

With that said, here is an old tread by Austin (HT: Austin). Many of the OG members know Austin for doing a lot of back-to-back testing. He also prototyped the HyTech header/twinloop system for John.

Mugen vs. Comptech
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=705272

If you look at the graphs, there doesn't really appear to be any change. He even states this but comments that he "feels" a difference, especially up top. If you look at the A/F ratio, the Mugen actually leans out up top around 7700-7800 over the Comptech. Could this be the reason for the "feel"?

Here is another test by OG member Ken (HT: Black R). While he used a Greddy filter on his Mugen intake, the numbers of the AEM CAI match up with it pretty equally. Mmmm...interesting. https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=948820

I know Jason (HT: Back in Black) swore by his Mugen intake on his H2 ITR race car. He liked the response too, but I never heard him comment on power gains over other intakes. Maybe he'll chime in.

Just giving food for thought? Sort of makes me think back to the "transient response" argument from back in the day. That's definitely a thread only OG members will remember!

Sorry this is sort of OT concerning the J's but I wanted to put it out there.

 

^^ I know Mugen Mike plans to compare, yet again, the AEM and Mugen intakes...

 

Folks.... I can't find the post but earlier in 2006 I posted the dyno results from Mugen vs. AEM vs. Velocity Stack vs. Stock. Find that post and you have your answer.

Mugen = 178 whp, 128 wtq
Velocity Stack = 173 whp, 124 wtq
AEM = 171 whp, 125 wtq
Stock = 170 whp, 124 wtq

Peak numbers didn't tell the whole story. Sorry I can't find that post and I can't find the dyno chart images to re-post.

Clayton

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ausmith &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Folks.... I can't find the post but earlier in 2006 I posted the dyno results from Mugen vs. AEM vs. Velocity Stack vs. Stock. Find that post and you have your answer.

Mugen = 178 whp, 128 wtq
Velocity Stack = 173 whp, 124 wtq
AEM = 171 whp, 125 wtq
Stock = 170 whp, 124 wtq

Peak numbers didn't tell the whole story. Sorry I can't find that post and I can't find the dyno chart images to re-post.

Clayton</TD></TR></TABLE>

I found it about a week ago, however your dyno charts are no longer posted.

 

Clayton just sucks at searches!

Here is the thread but the dyno charts are down - page 4

https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=1

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RStoR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Clayton just sucks at searches!

Here is the thread but the dyno charts are down - page 4

https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=1</TD></TR></TABLE>

Must be true, I found it too!!! https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1622259

However, I am not seeing the charts.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RStoR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Now 00TypeR1071...this isn't directly at YOU, just at comments like this. Too many new members here fail to do a search and just take people's word too literally. I know you're all giddy about your new Mugen but lets look at some facts.

The Mugen piece is extremely nice and I'm sure the "throttle response" is great but does it really produce <U>gains</U>? Just playing devil's advocate here. Testing a CAI-style intake on a dyno is always somewhat suspect. A fan blowing on the filter in no way replicates fender well/underhood airflow nor temperature. Maybe someone should do some timed-data logged road pulls for a more real world test.

With that said, here is an old tread by Austin (HT: Austin). Many of the OG members know Austin for doing a lot of back-to-back testing. He also prototyped the HyTech header/twinloop system for John.

Mugen vs. Comptech
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=705272

If you look at the graphs, there doesn't really appear to be any change. He even states this but comments that he "feels" a difference, especially up top. If you look at the A/F ratio, the Mugen actually leans out up top around 7700-7800 over the Comptech. Could this be the reason for the "feel"?

Here is another test by OG member Ken (HT: Black R). While he used a Greddy filter on his Mugen intake, the numbers of the AEM CAI match up with it pretty equally. Mmmm...interesting. https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=948820

I know Jason (HT: Back in Black) swore by his Mugen intake on his H2 ITR race car. He liked the response too, but I never heard him comment on power gains over other intakes. Maybe he'll chime in.

Just giving food for thought? Sort of makes me think back to the "transient response" argument from back in the day. That's definitely a thread only OG members will remember!

Sorry this is sort of OT concerning the J's but I wanted to put it out there.

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To RStoR.
I actually did my research.
I'm member here for only few months but that does NOT mean that I don't know anything





Modified by 00TypeR1071 at 10:33 PM 2/23/2007

 

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To RStoR.
I actually did my research.
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Do I need to say anymore.