anyone have any idea why EVERY j's racing car ive seen is sporting a mugen header?

is it the 2 liter header or the 2.2 liter header?

they use it on their f20c and their f22c motors.

anyone?

 

I'd like to see pics of this.

 

take a look into Best Motoring International

the j's cars in all their videos have a mugen header with j's everything else

j's exhaust, j's motor, j's ecu, mugen header, j's intake

im kind of confused why

since ive heard the j's header makes more power than mugen...

im so curious

 

only thing I can think of is that maybe the J's header was not designed yet. Alot of the videos are years old before they come here.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Francesco &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">only thing I can think of is that maybe the J's header was not designed yet. Alot of the videos are years old before they come here.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Francesco &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">only thing I can think of is that maybe the J's header was not designed yet. Alot of the videos are years old before they come here.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That is correct.

 

j's must have fell into the hype. i wonder if their guys asked why the runners are skinnier then stock like i did when i put them on a kids car.

 

thanks guys

 

because Mugen's better duh

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NIKE SB’d &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">because Mugen's better duh </TD></TR></TABLE>

Better than what? For what purpose? Mugen header makes midrange and almost no top end.

 

the mugen header is a huge waste of $1500.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by frankdatank &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the mugen header is a huge waste of $1500.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Francesco &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Why?

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because you can get more power out of a test pipe and have 1400 left in your pocket.

 

NVM

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by frankdatank &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
because you can get more power out of a test pipe and have 1400 left in your pocket.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you cant even back that statement up besides saying you save 1400$.

Mugen header is a great piece if it will compliment your set up and do to your car what you need it to do

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Francesco &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

you cant even back that statement up besides saying you save 1400$.

Mugen header is a great piece if it will compliment your set up and do to your car what you need it to do </TD></TR></TABLE>

If savings and more power are your requirements, I could offer a suggestion to have saved clsoe to $10,000; get a used and modded Mustang, Camaro, Magnum, Neon, etc.

Out of those cars, you could spend about $750 on an exhaust alone, and free up more hp and torque than you could bolting on a whole, high end I/H/E on the S2000.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luder94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If savings and more power are your requirements, I could offer a suggestion to have saved clsoe to $10,000; get a used and modded Mustang, Camaro, Magnum, Neon, etc.

Out of those cars, you could spend about $750 on an exhaust alone, and free up more hp and torque than you could bolting on a whole, high end I/H/E on the S2000.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hows that a relevant comment? He's saying that you could get more power numbers out of a part that costs $1400 less. Why does that mean he would have to resort to getting some kind of **** pile to drive around? I mean i'd be the first to disgaree about putting a test pipe on a car, but still. He has a point. If infact, a test pipe makes as much power or more power than a mugen header...i mean..iduno....i'll stop here, i wouldnt approve of putting a test pipe on a car lol. Im just saying he has a point. Would you buy something for your car that costs $5000 but makes you lose power just because it has a name on it? Im not saying that the mugen header makes you lose power or that it costs $5000, but you cant say just because he wants to spend his money more wisely (although putting a test pipe on a car is dumb), that he should resort to getting a mustang.

 

why do you say putting a test pipe on a car is dumb?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr. Projekt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Better than what? For what purpose? Mugen header makes midrange and almost no top end.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I guess you missed the wink there buddy

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luder94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If savings and more power are your requirements, I could offer a suggestion to have saved clsoe to $10,000; get a used and modded Mustang, Camaro, Magnum, Neon, etc.

Out of those cars, you could spend about $750 on an exhaust alone, and free up more hp and torque than you could bolting on a whole, high end I/H/E on the S2000.</TD></TR></TABLE>

People that aren't mugen ****** will never understand. Save your breath

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MD06LBP &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why do you say putting a test pipe on a car is dumb?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I dont really wanna get into it too much. Im just environmentally conscious, thats all. I just feel its irresponsible. I dont want this to turn into another "well everyone else does it" argument...so dont bother. I wont knock anyone for doing it, i just wont do it or condone it. If anyone asks my opinion on whether or not they should do it, I try to tell them not to do it..and also much more importantly WHY not to do it.

 

gotcha...wasn't sure if you were trying to say it was bad for performance, that would have confused me for a bit. do what you like to do, whether it's a test pipe or cat

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MD06LBP &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">gotcha...wasn't sure if you were trying to say it was bad for performance, that would have confused me for a bit. do what you like to do, whether it's a test pipe or cat </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

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Hows that a relevant comment? He's saying that you could get more power numbers out of a part that costs $1400 less. Why does that mean he would have to resort to getting some kind of **** pile to drive around? I mean i'd be the first to disgaree about putting a test pipe on a car, but still. He has a point. If infact, a test pipe makes as much power or more power than a mugen header...i mean..iduno....i'll stop here, i wouldnt approve of putting a test pipe on a car lol. Im just saying he has a point. Would you buy something for your car that costs $5000 but makes you lose power just because it has a name on it? Im not saying that the mugen header makes you lose power or that it costs $5000, but you cant say just because he wants to spend his money more wisely (although putting a test pipe on a car is dumb), that he should resort to getting a mustang. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It's relevant because of the following logic:

A test pipe alone may free up more power than a Mugen header...but at what cost...

What do you lose down low, and can you afford it (especially on an F20c)?

Where is that power gained? ...at 8000 RPM, at 8500 RPM? Is that really any good for street driving, auto-x, short-track? If your car is a dyno queen, then nvm.

For me, the Mugen header served many purposes: I got the header back when the only other NA option available in North America was the Comptech header at $1100. I also daily drove my car at the time...a header and/or testpipe that netted me lots of power at 7600 RPM+ did me no good. On the other hand, not losing anything from the dig (vs. stock), gains across a wide portion of the mid-range (before VTEC to 7800 rpm) and no loss from OEM up until rev limit sounded very good for my use....regardless of the Mugen price tag.

So how is my comment relevant? If peak power and value is the biggest concern, then tuning a cheap Mustang, Camaro, etc. is more up the individual's alley. If peak power on an S2000 is the individual's goal, then save your pennies...save even the $100 on the test pipe. Buy a turbo kit.

On a side...I wish I hadn't editted my original reply. I typed out an eloquent response, and then realized that here on H-T there's not much hope to have a mature discussion when opinions come into play.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luder94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

It's relevant because of the following logic:

A test pipe alone may free up more power than a Mugen header...but at what cost...

What do you lose down low, and can you afford it (especially on an F20c)?

Where is that power gained? ...at 8000 RPM, at 8500 RPM? Is that really any good for street driving, auto-x, short-track? If your car is a dyno queen, then nvm.

For me, the Mugen header served many purposes: I got the header back when the only other NA option available in North America was the Comptech header at $1100. I also daily drove my car at the time...a header and/or testpipe that netted me lots of power at 7600 RPM+ did me no good. On the other hand, not losing anything from the dig (vs. stock), gains across a wide portion of the mid-range (before VTEC to 7800 rpm) and no loss from OEM up until rev limit sounded very good for my use....regardless of the Mugen price tag.

So how is my comment relevant? If peak power and value is the biggest concern, then tuning a cheap Mustang, Camaro, etc. is more up the individual's alley. If peak power on an S2000 is the individual's goal, then save your pennies...save even the $100 on the test pipe. Buy a turbo kit.

On a side...I wish I hadn't editted my original reply. I typed out an eloquent response, and then realized that here on H-T there's not much hope to have a mature discussion when opinions come into play.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Well allright, if you want all that "low down" power, why dont you just buy a mustang or camaro? &lt;~~ that statement has the same value as your original statement. You were simply trying to state that you wanted USEABLE power out of your S2000. Does that mean you have to resort to buying a mustang or camaro? Thats my point.

I was not saying that i agree with the test pipe idea. If i had the choice between paying $1500 for a header and keeping my cat or buying a $100 test pipe to make the same power, i'd either spend the $1500 or just live without the extra what? 4hp?

I used to be a name brand over common sense kinda guy too. I'm not saying that the mugen header is a bad peice, i mean i have done no reasearch on it. I dont mind spending money either. Im just saying this:
Say, for example that an AEM CAI makes 7-9 hp over a pretty broad power band. Say for example the mugen airbox makes 8-10hp also over a pretty broad power band. The AEM costs $300 the Mugen box costs $1500. Im not making a show car. I mean my car looks really clean....and it has all the factory functions and amenities in place. But some people would buy the mugen box regardless. I understand that there is a difference in looks and quality, and that is very important to me. But then i gauge the $1200 difference for 1-2 hp?? cmon. If the mugen box made like 5-10 more hp, i wouldnt even blink at spending the money. If i was totally loadeed, i'd buy the mugen box regardless...because its awesome....and it says mugen on it...and it has better fit, finish, and functionality. But most people are NOT loaded. Im not in the poor house, but i do have school to pay for and a hard top to buy lol.
Im just saying that the guy's original point was to weigh all the factors. Cost, quality, hp gain, etc, and put them all together to produce the most EFFECTIVE mod. It wont win a show, but it gets the job done.
Again, i'm not condoning the test pipe, and im vehementaly against test pipes. lol. just making that very clear.

 

i posted my previous comments to try to get a nice debate about the header. it is exspensive, but so is any other header on a s2k.