what up to all the honda heads!! i'm currently running a b16a2 engine and i'm planning to switch to a CTR block, the block will be a complete block with the pct pistons, r crank etc. my ? is will my b16a2 head bolt up to the CTR block with no piston-valve clearance problems...i also want to use a 2-layer head gasket to up the c/r a little bit...will this also cause any piston-valve clearance problems?

 

Don't waste your money.

That's most of a turbo setup you're talking about spending.

(In theoretical planning dollars.)

 

B16 head = CTR head

Both PR3 cast

 

it's all good 'cause the complete CTR block is only gonna cost me 1k...now back to the ? will it 'cause any piston-valve clearance problems

 

so using a 2 layer gasket to up the c/r a little is ok?

 

Which R crank are you using? ITR?

 

CTR crank!

 

Well basically, from what you are saying above, you're going to have a nice stock B16B. So no, there will not be any piston-valve contact.

 

yeah i wanna basically keep it allmotor...its my daily driver. thanks!

 

I could think of a lot better N/a things to do other than swapping on the same head you already have.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlueIntegraBoy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well basically, from what you are saying above, you're going to have a nice stock B16B. So no, there will not be any piston-valve contact.</TD></TR></TABLE>

without the CTR cam, valvetrain, mild factory portet ports, etc....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blk_eg4 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it's all good 'cause the complete CTR block is only gonna cost me 1k...now back to the ? will it 'cause any piston-valve clearance problems</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why not go with a GSR or LS block instead? Can gain more compression without using PCTs, same price (maybe even cheaper) and most importantly, more displacement/power

 

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Why not go with a GSR or LS block instead? Can gain more compression without using PCTs, same price (maybe even cheaper) and most importantly, more displacement/power</TD></TR></TABLE>

exactly what i was thinking but due to this statement,
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blk_eg4 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it's all good 'cause the complete CTR block is only gonna cost me 1k...now back to the ? </TD></TR></TABLE>

seems like his mind is set to spend his money on that...

 

from what I remember a b16a and b16b are similar in block design, but interally they're worked differently to create better and smoother flow. If your going to use a b16a head and put it on a b16b block, then no it's won't be the same as ctr. Both parts are unique to ctr especially the head.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dad0c402 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">from what I remember a b16a and b16b are similar in block design, but interally they're worked differently to create better and smoother flow. If your going to use a b16a head and put it on a b16b block, then no it's won't be the same as ctr. Both parts are unique to ctr especially the head.</TD></TR></TABLE>

They are not similar. A B16B block itself is the exact same as a GSR/ITR block. The only difference is the internals. The reason why the B16B is a 1.6 is because it has a 77mm crank unlike the GSR/ITR that has a 87.2mm crank, the bore on all B-series blocks (except B20) is 81mm. Also the rod lengths and pistons are obviously different.

True. A stock B16A head will not = a B16B, but one with decent cams and a same port job will.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlueIntegraBoy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B16 head = CTR head

Both PR3 cast</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes and no...same casting howeverthe valve seats are at a different angle

http://www.ek9.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1

 

how much is an ITR complete block? because i think 1k for a complete CTR block is a good deal...plus the b16a head is not totally stock, i'm running ITR cams, dual valve springs and retainers...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blk_eg4 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how much is an ITR complete block? because i think 1k for a complete CTR block is a good deal...plus the b16a head is not totally stock, i'm running ITR cams, dual valve springs and retainers...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Screw the ITR block - go B20V

B20 longblock= 600
B20v kit = 200
Oil pump, water pump, timing belt = 160
DIY labor = free !


Well theres some other stuff too thats optional:
headstuds, girdle, etc.

 

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Screw the ITR block - go B20V

B20 longblock= 600
B20v kit = 200
Oil pump, water pump, timing belt = 160
DIY labor = free !

</TD></TR></TABLE>

wow over priced b20 long block. what about the head? lol

 

why not get a gsr shortblock and run the PCT pistons? you would have a stroked b16b, if i'm right. and since it's out, get it blueprinted and balanced?

 

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Screw the ITR block - go B20V

B20 longblock= 600
B20v kit = 200
Oil pump, water pump, timing belt = 160
DIY labor = free !


Well theres some other stuff too thats optional:
headstuds, girdle, etc.
</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think you forgot the aftermarket pistons, rods, rings & hone. Stock B20 piston valve-reliefs don't fit oversize VTEC valves...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iimaginedatt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why not get a gsr shortblock and run the PCT pistons? you would have a stroked b16b, if i'm right. and since it's out, get it blueprinted and balanced? </TD></TR></TABLE>

i checked the price of a gsr long block and its double for what i'm getting the CTR complete block for...

 

go to the junk yard and pull an ls block out, you are gonna love the torque alot more. you are going to appriciate your car a lot more. Why you are messing w\ b16s idk, there not fast unless ur racing some grandma in a buik. I made the mistake of going b16 now im saving for a b20b block. Y not go ahead and speend the money for the torque??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by joethejoeman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">go to the junk yard and pull an ls block out, you are gonna love the torque alot more. you are going to appriciate your car a lot more. Why you are messing w\ b16s idk, there not fast unless ur racing some grandma in a buik. I made the mistake of going b16 now im saving for a b20b block. Y not go ahead and speend the money for the torque??</TD></TR></TABLE>

all right joe, i'll keep that in mind...thanks for your 2 cents!

 

it will be okay..you might as well stroke it to 1.8L I think you can use a GSR or ITR crank & rods.. stroke it to 1.8L...the B16B are much different that a B16a from what I hear...---I could be wrong..