I've been thinking lately about opting for the first gen B16a swap in my 90 DA, It's the easiest on my wallet currently, and it would be nice to retire my tired old LS motor, but I have a few concerns of people complaining about the laggyness due to the 9ft/lbs less of torque.

I'm hoping that the higher hp/higher revving capabilities will make up for it? I like to hit up the mountains occasionally, and I find myself staying at 6k alot on my LS motor. Could the B16 really feel slower than the LS in the mountains when I have more RPMs to go, regardless of the torque?

How much abuse can these motors take? I don't want to blow the motor because I'm constantly revving high to make up for the lost torque.

Any help is appreciated

 

Personally in your situation i would suggest kepping your LS and getting a B16 head. LSVTEC=keep the torque and get VTEC. If its all that tired and worn out do a rebuild... That should still be easier on the wallet than a B16 swap.

 

opt for another ls motor. and build the bottom

 

eww b16 is so slow. my friend has a em1 si and its horribleeeeeeee through the mountains uphill...even straight line racing lol.

 

going from LS to b16 IMO is a downgrade. i would rather have that awesome torque. a b16 tranny for that LS would b koo

 

I went fromB18 -> b16.. I wouldnt call it a downgrade.. it depends on your driving style..

I felt the LS used to run out of puff too quick.. as i like the high revving nature of the b16.. and i think it has more potential in the long run

at the end of the day if you do a full b16 conversion.. u need less parts later on (if you chose to) convert it to a LS/VTEC or CRVTEC already having the tranny/head/ecu etc

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FR33K &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I went fromB18 -&gt; b16.. I wouldnt call it a downgrade.. it depends on your driving style..

I felt the LS used to run out of puff too quick.. as i like the high revving nature of the b16.. and i think it has more potential in the long run

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So you felt that it still had power? I'm assuming that the B16 would respond better to bolt ons, and I've heard nothing but positives about how hard a B16 pulls with a good set of cams. Is this true?

 

Do what you what you wanna go with .. Everyone bad talks B16's but i know a some people with them in their Da's and love them .. Beleave that is what i am going to go with

 

Good to hear some positives

 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integrainside &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Personally in your situation i would suggest kepping your LS and getting a B16 head. LSVTEC=keep the torque and get VTEC. If its all that tired and worn out do a rebuild... That should still be easier on the wallet than a B16 swap.</TD></TR></TABLE>

A rebuild would be costly, I'm thinking that a rebuild would be pretty costly tho, especially including all the parts to run a reliable LSVTEC setup, as this is my DD. I don't want to cut any corners...

Bump for more opinions!

 

You would have to rebuild that motor , Then buy a Head . And if it dont come with a intake manifold you gotta buy one . You gotta run wires to ingage Vtec .. Gotta get a Ecu and A Ls-Vtec conversion kit .. I looked into it and its pretty costly .. Just My 2 Cents tho ...


Hmotorsonline.com .. Sells a Complete 92 - 93 Da B16 conversion kit

 

haha @ b16 in an integra....

 

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haha?

Integra Xsi

 

like to laugh???



now you can cry...

 

You were the one laughing, lol.

I've seen that chart, and all things aside, considering I was thinking of just putting a fresh B18b motor in my car and upgrading only a few things, I thought that it would be better to have at least a "performance" motor in my car with vtec.

I think after a few bolt ons, I won't be missing out, and besides, this isn't a drag car, I just need the extra umph when going uphill.

 

Yo man dont worry what people say .. Go with what you want to go with .. Do what you can aford .. Not everyone has a millon dallors to spend on a car like half of theses people think you have .. In the long run if you want something faster put a turbo on it .. I dont know why people gotta be ********

 

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word, I know the only fast way out is turbo, but my pockets aren't deep enough to run a reliable setup. Thanks for the

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sixfiveoh &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You were the one laughing, lol.

I've seen that chart, and all things aside, considering I was thinking of just putting a fresh B18b motor in my car and upgrading only a few things, I thought that it would be better to have at least a "performance" motor in my car with vtec.

I think after a few bolt ons, I won't be missing out, and besides, this isn't a drag car, I just need the extra umph when going uphill.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The graphs are a b18b and b16a with mild cams and bolt ons....Cheap builds...They arent anywhere near drag car spec....You act like I posted fully built engines running race fuel with 13 to 1 cr's

 

That chart is so played out....... LMFAO

 

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The graphs are a b18b and b16a with mild cams and bolt ons....Cheap builds...They arent anywhere near drag car spec....You act like I posted fully built engines running race fuel with 13 to 1 cr's</TD></TR></TABLE>

Where did you get that impression? I just know that if it's stronger and faster than my stock LS before mods, and even stronger after mods, then I think I'll be fine.

 

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Where did you get that impression? I just know that if it's stronger and faster than my stock LS before mods, and even stronger after mods, then I think I'll be fine.


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my graph proves the exact opposite...its not stronger after similar mods like mild cams and bolt ons...look at that graph again...

 

his graph proves everything. b18&gt;b16 anyday. now the rest can shut the hell up

 

Can anyone who has owned or driven a B16 in a DA chime in? Whether it be positive or negative, I'd like to get some guys with first hand experience

 

Here is what it comes down to.

Say you wanna the buy the swaps.

Lets look at price first,

B16A swap HMO $1250 Engine, tranny ecu.

B18C1 swap HMO $2700

Now, Stock for stock the gsr is better aside from price. B16 is poo compared to the gsr which has an extra 15trq in the JDM model gsr.


Now, Lets get down to what matter, price combined with future possiblities,

the best choice would be, The B16.

REASONS::
You save $1600 !

With that 1600, you can build it pretty decently.

Either, Peice together a turbo kit and your good to go.

Or,
CAI
ITR(Integra type R B18C5) Intake manifold,
Nice Header,
2.5 exhuast,

And you'll still have money left over for,

Skunk2 Cams,
Skunk2 valvetrain,
Dyno tuning time.,

IMO after looking at all the points, the B16 and building would be a better choice.

And no you cant fit a type r IM onto a GSR motor.
The head casting for the B16 and TYPE R are the same.

Its the internals on the head of the ITR that makes the extra power.

Dont think so? Ask Honda.





So buy the B16 build it, and you'll own a GSR.

My friend has the GSR swap in his DA.

Im pretty close, he has the extra trq, but the gsr tranny is longer than the B16.

So I still come close.

B16 and build!\


And dont compare the 99 civic si to a 90 teg, 90 tegs are much lighter.