tried searching but nuttin came up, I just bought another accord it is a 90. Well it is

shooting a cel code 4, crank angle. So I tried switching dizzys with my other

accord but nuttin. The problem is at WOT the rpm will lag when rising then at bout

4 grand it stalls and back fires. It did this with both dizzys and on my other accord

both dizzys ran great. It got a new motor swapped before I bought it so I checked

the other plugs but nothing found. Just to let you know the other cel is for the

speed sensor that is broke.


Modified by BlUAc at 11:47 AM 2/4/2007

 

 

you serious right now 21 views and no one can help me out

 

The CKP (crank-position) sensor should be in the distributor, it's one of three magnetic sensors down there. If it were truly bad all the time I don't think you would have spark, & it wouldn't start at all. I don't know whether the ECU has some kind of limp-home mode where it doesn't need that sensor but only works at low revs??

So it must be something about that sensor or it's circuit that goes bad occasionally. At higher RPM? You switched distributors, so that eliminates the sensor itself.

Look for stuff like loose connections where the distributor plugs into the wiring harness. Any chance the engine's motion can pull something in a funny way?

 

I changed the spark plugs only two were working, and on my cam gear it was off a tooth. so I adjusted my ignition timing also, and now it revs normal but when it gets to 4 grand it bounces from 4-45 now like its got a rev limiter. I called a local shop and they said that I have a crank position sensor buy the crank pulley. Do I?. Oh and I swapped the ecu also, everything that I can think of has been swapped and nothing. And my first accord is running like a champ with the swapped parts

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlUAc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I changed the spark plugs only two were working, and on my cam gear it was off a tooth. so I adjusted my ignition timing also...</TD></TR></TABLE>Did you adjust your camshaft timing too?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlUAc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... I called a local shop and they said that I have a crank position sensor buy the crank pulley. Do I?</TD></TR></TABLE>No, I don't think so. That started in about 1996 (OBD-2). Anyway, that's a crank fluctuation (CKF) sensor used to detect misfiring. Not the same thing.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlUAc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... Oh and I swapped the ecu also, everything that I can think of has been swapped and nothing. And my first accord is running like a champ with the swapped parts</TD></TR></TABLE>Everything except the wiring harness. Diry/loose/corroded plugs somewhere in the harness? Have you verified continuity in all the wiring back to the ECU (with a multi-meter)?

 

yep the 96, and 97 had a knock sen in the oil pump if I rember right, but not the 94, or 95. does it mis at idle? you said it jumped a tooth on the cam , is the timming belt tension right? it will not normaly jump unless a worn part, tensinor, belt, or gear.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JimBlake &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did you adjust your camshaft timing too
</TD></TR></TABLE>yes id did
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No, I don't think so. That started in about 1996 (OBD-2). Anyway, that's a crank fluctuation (CKF) sensor used to detect misfiring. Not the same thing.


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thats what I thought
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JimBlake &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Everything except the wiring harness. Diry/loose/corroded plugs somewhere in the harness? Have you verified continuity in all the wiring back to the ECU (with a multi-meter)?
</TD></TR></TABLE>checked plugs not harness
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondaccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> it will not normaly jump unless a worn part, tensinor, belt, or gear.</TD></TR></TABLE>na checked it all good

 

I used to get that CEL 1359 I think. I replaced my starter and he hasn't come back since. Weird thing it only threw the code when my starter wouldn't feel like working, I don't know how connected they are but they are.

 

mine it turns over like 10-15 times with the throttle opening and closing,I know its fuel injected it its not needed but ti helps for some reason then my check engine light turns on and it starts

 

bump for more info please

 

do a compression test. it sounds like you might have a cracked crank, but that is rare. so post the numbers after the test, and well see. also did you actualy take the timeing belt off, and make sure that everything is lined up right. I know its a lot of work for possiably nothing, but it might just be the prob, if a tensinor was loos, and it jumped a tooth.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlUAc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mine it turns over like 10-15 times with the throttle opening and closing,I know its fuel injected it its not needed but ti helps for some reason then my check engine light turns on and it starts</TD></TR></TABLE>Strange, but it seems like the ECU can't fire plugs because the CKP sensor is bad. Then somehow, it goes to 'plan B' & limps along with the other 2 sensors in the distributor. I don't know how it can do that or what scheme is actually programmed at that level in the ECU.

To verify camshaft timing, you only have to remove the valve cover &/or upper timing cover. Don't have to actually remove the belt. So that's not a ton of work for possibly nothing. You're at the point where you don't want to take ANYTHING for granted. Double-check everything, even the obvious simple stuff.