Anyone ever done this? Is it possible using other Honda parts?

Thanks
Ben

 

i'm sure it's possible...the JDM SiR had ABS. it'd prolly be pretty expensive and complicated though..

 

buy this


and your car will have ABS


[Modified by eraser, 9:07 AM 5/17/2002]

 

ABS is for people who cant move their feet quick enough, besides, dont you want to be able to throw the back end around at will?

 

have to disagree with you guys..abs is very useful..compare two identical cars, one with ABS and the other without, and the one with abs will stop faster and sooner. now spending the cash to put it on a rex is a different story altogether

 

Oddly enough, I have heard the opposite. Two cars one without, and one with, if you know how to brake properly, the one without WILL stop sooner.

BTW: I've also been contemplating puting it on my rex. If I do it when converting to teg brakes, it will only cost me another $300 for all othe parts (from a used yard). For me, if I'm going to be putting the money into my car, I would like to be able to protect my investment as much as possible in since in emergency situations (deer coming to greet you on the freeway at 70mph...) I don't want to lock up my tires and loose control... I've done this once before... not a pretty or fun drive.

 

hmm..why would honda only put it on the SiR if it stops slower? and why would they put it on integra type Rs and their other high performance cars? i think you were misinformed about a non ABS car stopping better than an ABS equipped car. but, maybe they were right..just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

HAHAHAHA, eraser, ROFL!!!

 

Oh you mean this Love to hate Item
I wouldn't trade it for the world !! ...Then again maybe a set of ITB's !!

 

Please notice the part about learning to brake properly... It make s BIG difference. If you just step on the brakes, yes, the ABS will stop sooner. There are ways of braking that will allow a non-ABS car to stop sooner...

 

care to elaborate?

 

ABS pulses the brakes. Meaning part of the time the brakes aren't actually engaged. That's how the antilock portion of it works. When you step on normal brakes, if you can get right to the limit of adhesion, you're already ahead in terms of braking power over an ABS car.

But that's waaaay too hard for normal people in panic situations. I want ABS too.

 

i understand the concept..geez, i just can't see it happening though. anyone know of any real studies done showing cars w/ and w/out ABS and how w/out ABS is better?

 

Have you heard about those people who actually END up crashing their cars because of ABS? When they panic, they push the brakes and when ABS engages, their pedals would travel to the floor and start pushing up or vibrate violently(depands on what kind of vehicle you have) and they wouls panic more because they don't know thats its normal that the brake pedals do this when ABS engages, so they let off the brake.
Even cops are being trained what to do when ABS engages so they can get the feel when they have to slam on their brakes, because other cops ended up crashing their cars caused by panic when ABS engages.

 

SCC ran a test a while back, and the heavier ABS-equipped car stopped sooner than the lighter non-ABS equipped car because it's so hard to ride that line of adhesion.

RedRacerCivic: I agree though, I don't like the feel of it either... blechh


[Modified by raene, 11:49 AM 5/17/2002]

 

i know at track events guys are encouraged to turn off ABS when they go on the road course. the reason for this is that if they go off the track and loose traction they want to be able to skid and stop, not correct and kill the tranny. i'll agree that ABS is a no go on a track, but for real world driving situations, i'd rather have it, especially on the street w/ dry, wet, or snow conditions.

 

anything that is made illegal in cart racing is an advantage.

 

how much do you think it would cost to get the ABS set-up from an SiR. Also were would one go about getting something like that. Does anyone know what would be so hard about installing it. and whats up with that dude from japan with the crx SiR. everytime someone mentions something really cool about an EF that they want he goes "oh you mean this" and takes a pic of it from his car. Yes I'm jealous very jealous.

 

The reply about ABS pulsing is only partly correct. Majority of the time, the ABS system is disengaged. It is only when the system detects that one or more of the brakes are about to lock up, then the system will engage itself by pulsating the brakes. So, basically have ABS will prevent you from skidding, and therefore will stop in a shorter distance.

 

You want to stop quicker? 2 words.....down-shifting Besides ABS was designed for idiots who don't want the road and everytime a car breaks in front of them they have to stop as quickly as possiable with as little work as possiable.

 

I didn't know that; that's cool

 

I agree that A non ABS setup is CAPABLE, notice i said capable of shorter or at least equal stopping times to that of an ABS vehicle. a few senarios to think about
1)car has no ABS grandma is driving down the road, someone stops short in front of her, Grandma slams on the brakes, begins to skid, skids right into the *** end of the idiot who stopped short,

2)Grandma has a car with ABS this time. same senario as above, except grandma is able to get the car stopped because with the ABS she avoids going into a skid.
grandma didn't do anything differentl, she still slammed on the brakes, the ABS did the expert braking for her

3)Joe Blow who knows his **** aobut driving and auto x ing etc. prefers a car without ABS, because he knows his car and its ability. So he is able to stop his car sooner, by using some wheel skid to his advantage.

IN essence, all ABS does is what a good experienced driver who knows braking.
most people have one reaction when there is a situation that requires an abrupt stop. they panic and try to put the brake pedal through the floor. thats where the ABS is helpful. It gets rid of the Panic factor.
So ABS is a good thing to have, I think we all can agree on that, but it seems like it might be a little cheaper to change your driving tactics a bit, and spare yourself the expense. ABS systems are a little like air bag systems(SRS). If one thing is wrong, the system disables itself. So what are the chances of an ABS system you installed being so perfect that you wouldn't be riding around with an ABS light? remember if that light is on, you have no ABS

Just my thoughts, may be right, maybe wrong, might not make any sense
Chris

 

First off, I think converting a non-ABS car over to ABS would be one hell of a pain in the ***. The hydraulic systems are completely different, plus you need to add the ABS computer, all of the wiring and the wheel speed sensors.

On the ability of a person to threshold-brake better than an ABS system: I don't buy it for a panic stop in a straight line. Yes on a track ditching the ABS so you can threshold brake helps if you're good, but hauling the car down from 60 mph is a completely different ballgame. No human can pump the brakes as fast as even the most rudimentary ABS systems. Newer systems can adjust the proportioning from front to rear and pulse one individual wheel that's locking up. Mercedes even has "brake-by-wire" in the new SL which turns complete control over to the computer as far as which wheel to apply the brakes to, with how much force, and whether or not to pulse it. There's a backup hydraulic linkage if any part of the computer system fails. Just remember that I'm talking solely about hauling the car down to a stop in a straight line.

Oh, my other example: Dodge Viper. For the longest time it would always get killed in braking tests by car with ABS even though it has huge sticky tires and similarly huge brakes. DaimlerChrysler finally put ABS on the 2001 model and now it stops like a champ. Once again, I'm talking specifically about panic stops in a straight line.

 

Now ..How about the nice tuners in Japan that can program the ABS computer to your driving style.. hhehehee

 

ABS is for street driving not track why do ppl take out abs for huh? real track cars don't use it. yes it would be better for rain. but i wouldn't need it for my crx i stop pretty quick. and that guy mentioned they have it for the itr but the jdm ones don't have it for a reason. and i think the SiR isn't really a good race car because i don't like the glasstop, less rigid, but the engine was the only good thing about it.

i don't think it's possible to put a jdm sir abs system in your car because maybe location of some stuff i might be wrong but remember they have right hand driving thus having the master cylinder on the right side unless you want to do your own hard lines LOL that will be a lot of work


[Modified by XtraFastCRX, 5:22 PM 5/18/2002]