Hey guys, I'm interested in getting my mom a new 07' four door EX with factory nav. Don't know much about the new civics though, only thing I've done to them is audio and security. What are the ups and downs??? Thanks

 

none, if it's for your mom. solid, superbly engineered & reliable basic transportation.

 

It's not really "basic." I've gotten many comments about my "wife's" LX looking "futuristic" and what not because of the dash and such. I think the civic is a bit more than just an econo-box now.

 

good choice

 

Good fuel economy
Reliable, safe & a good driving vehicle

Have to get use to the big A-pillar which isn't all that bad.

I think it's a good choice for mommy!

 

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Reliable, safe & a good driving vehicle

Have to get use to the big A-pillar which isn't all that bad.

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Yeah the huge A pillar does irritate me. Hows the headlight beam? She has a hard time driving at night. Might just get her an aftermarket hid kit anyways.

 

i see your in the san francisco area. check out manly honda in santa rosa. thats where im buying my SI. hit up paul in internet sales

 

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Yeah the huge A pillar does irritate me. Hows the headlight beam? She has a hard time driving at night. Might just get her an aftermarket hid kit anyways.</TD></TR></TABLE>

that will **** everyone off who's oncoming because the headlight reflector is not made for the light source of an HID capsule-

The headlights are outstanding on new hondas, tho if you do want a brighter/ whiter light, go with the Hella high performance high wattage bulbs, something like this- http://www.crutchfield.com/S-h...hella

longer life than Silverstars and more consistent filament placement vs. PIAA

 

actually i took a look at the beam patterns and i disagree. and i also know how HID's work, thanks for the info

 

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you took a look at the beam patterns? Please enlighten us as to your findings and explain.

The point where an HID capsule emits light, and also the fashion in which it does, vs a 9006 or 9005, is totally different compared in relation to the design of the OE non-HID reflector and what it expects as the origin of light. Sometimes, with proper spacing, or with projectors, you can get close, but the emission pattern of the capsule itself is just so radically different vs. traditional filament bulbs that it'll still glare and throw light off in strange directions...

I happen to work for the world's #1 automotive lighting manufacturer so i can tell you this is not h-t know-it-all banter...it's the truth. We pioneered alot of the OE and aftermarket auxiliary HID technology as well as that with halogen/mixed gas bulbs.

I get this question all of the time...there is a reason we do not offer HID 'retro-fit' kits and the majority of the time you have to source such from third party psuedo-manufacturers who assemble proprietary kits.

In all honesty, if you do get an HID kit for your Civic, you (or your mom) will not burn my eyes out because you are 3,000 miles away, but it's for you and your family's safety sake.

More reading- http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/rulings/glare.html

Another disturbing trend in this look-a-like phenomenon is the substitution of OEM filament headlamp bulbs with aftermarket HID conversion bulbs. The desire is to achieve the look and achieve the more robust performance of HIDs. While not designed to be interchangeable, some aftermarket companies are substantially altering the HID bulb bases or providing adapters so that the HID bulbs can be inserted in headlamps designed for filament bulbs. The consequence of making these substitutions is to adversely affect safety. Filament headlamps are optically designed for the volume of light and filament placement and other critical dimensions and performance that OEM filament bulbs have. The HID conversions result in two to three times the volume of light and potentially imprecise arc placement. Such conversions often result in beam patterns that behave nothing like the original filament beam pattern, cannot be reliably aimed, and have many times the permitted glare intensity. In informal conversations with persons who have tested such conversions, the light intensity on one at a point aimed toward oncoming drivers was 22 times the allowable intensity limit. Another lamp was more than 7 times too intense. With poor HID bulb and arc placement, the glare intensity could be significantly worse."








Modified by builthatch at 10:14 AM 2/5/2007

 

I try telling people the same thing on other forums and they just think i'm an *******. Let's think, if it costs 900 from the factory, and you can get the kit for 170, and a retrofit's going to run you 8-900 if you hire someone, there MUST be a reason why a kit just doesn't do as well

 

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Pictures like this make me want to spend all of my tax return money on a retro HID setup...

 

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Tell me about it, i'm a projector *****, i've got a set of S2k's and a set of LR3's sitting in my closet and no car to put them on