What kind of resins are available? Anything to withstand 700-800C?

 

http://www.compositemarket.com..._ID=4

 

good info!

 

All I saw was Ceramic Matrix resin that could handle over 2000° F. Is that all?

Also, is it heavy, as in terms of much larger weight, almost steel-like weight? Or is it just heavier than typical resin? I know these questions sound very noobish, but I'm quite interested in high-temp. resins for a future project.

 

So where can you get that Ceramic stuff, too?

 

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Also, is it heavy, as in terms of much larger weight, almost steel-like weight? Or is it just heavier than typical resin? I know these questions sound very noobish, but I'm quite interested in high-temp. resins for a future project.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Uhh 2000F is pretty high as far as composites go. The density of the material is going to vary. Sourcing the material isn't the hardest part, the question is do you have the equipment to process any type of part correctly at these temps? I would look into that first before you go down this road. There is a reason carbon ceramic brakes,clutches cost so much.

 

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Uhh 2000F is pretty high as far as composites go. The density of the material is going to vary. Sourcing the material isn't the hardest part, the question is do you have the equipment to process any type of part correctly at these temps? I would look into that first before you go down this road. There is a reason carbon ceramic brakes,clutches cost so much.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh, I completely understand how long/tedious of a process it is to cure certain resins, in order to prevent failure. I'm just starting to look into what all products would be necessary for the style project I have in mind. It's rather atypical in design, but I have a completely controllable environment to do my testing, so as not to injure myself or anyone else. It's just going to take time/money/development to produce properly. Which is fine by me, since I love projects like this.

 

Oh I didn't mean, do you have an oven that hits 2000F? I am more concerned about what your mold is going to be made from. What are you trying to build? Do you have many thousands of dollars to throw at this project?

 

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It's a side project I'll be starting over this summer, and continuing over the course of a few years. I'll have thousands to throw at it, that's for sure. I can get an oven that can hit 2000 F, but why would I need that? I thought the curing process was done at a much lower temperature. Once again, I know I'm newer to the product.

 

Because you said this:

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I assumed your requirement is higher than 2000f. The original poster was asking about 1300-1500 f

 

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I assumed your requirement is higher than 2000f. The original poster was asking about 1300-1500 f </TD></TR></TABLE>

I was just curious as to high they went in temperature ratings. It's not that I need higher, I was just being curious. All I need it to handle, is about 1600 F at the absolute most, so 2000 F will be more than plenty durable.

 

sorry for not being helpful. but what would you need to have a temp rating of 1600. is it for you honda? just wondering if you dont mind sharing.

 

Well anything over 450F is sort of in the same family, expensive and not really DIY in most cases but where there's a will there's a way. 450-500F is pretty high for laminating resins. Here is a little flow chart that walks you through the process steps in a carbon ceramic part, go to page 2.

http://www.fz-juelich.de/iwv/i...c.pdf

Check out the siliconization step for the part: Stick part in a vacuum oven at 1450C

or the carbonization step: In argon atmosphere at 950C

By all means keep going and show me when you're done. I have never done anything like this but I know people that have and funding is a big deal on these types of projects.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dankeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sorry for not being helpful. but what would you need to have a temp rating of 1600. is it for you honda? just wondering if you dont mind sharing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exhaust manifolds, turbo housings, and the like.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crx12 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well anything over 450F is sort of in the same family, expensive and not really DIY in most cases but where there's a will there's a way. 450-500F is pretty high for laminating resins. Here is a little flow chart that walks you through the process steps in a carbon ceramic part, go to page 2.

http://www.fz-juelich.de/iwv/i...c.pdf

Check out the siliconization step for the part: Stick part in a vacuum oven at 1450C

or the carbonization step: In argon atmosphere at 950C

By all means keep going and show me when you're done. I have never done anything like this but I know people that have and funding is a big deal on these types of projects.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I appreciate it, truly. That will come in very handy for the future products.

 

My idea was to create a carbon fiber exhaust, perhaps minus the downpipe.